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	<title>Comments on: Wink&#8217;s Michael Tanne Discusses the Future of Tagging</title>
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		<title>By: IrishWonder&#8217;s SEO Consulting Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Bookmarking and Tagging for SEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>IrishWonder&#8217;s SEO Consulting Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Bookmarking and Tagging for SEO</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Wink’s Michael Tanne Discusses the Future of Tagging [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also relevance tends to change over time. We have thought through and implemented (and patented) a robust set of algorithms around this, and are tuning and refining every day.&quot;

Any hints of finding that patent? I ran some searches and didn&#039;t come up with much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also relevance tends to change over time. We have thought through and implemented (and patented) a robust set of algorithms around this, and are tuning and refining every day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any hints of finding that patent? I ran some searches and didn&#8217;t come up with much.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOK</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2006/01/winks-michael-tanne-discusses-future.html/comment-page-1#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeOK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the follow-up Andy and Michael.  I assumed that Michael does have a plan for black hats and that he certainly cannot give out the details.  The arms race he refers to is similar to the problem the US military is facing in Iraq and faced in Vietnam.  Without clear identification of the &quot;enemy&quot; makes fighting the war even harder.  That said, I wish Michael all the success and  hope that this social approach to indexing becomes as valuable as it&#039;s potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the follow-up Andy and Michael.  I assumed that Michael does have a plan for black hats and that he certainly cannot give out the details.  The arms race he refers to is similar to the problem the US military is facing in Iraq and faced in Vietnam.  Without clear identification of the &#8220;enemy&#8221; makes fighting the war even harder.  That said, I wish Michael all the success and  hope that this social approach to indexing becomes as valuable as it&#8217;s potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked Mike to comment on Mike&#039;s question above. Here is his response...

&lt;I&gt;Great question.  You&#039;ve raised the question of spammers who attempt to promote sites by manipulating other services.  Where there&#039;s an audience, they are bound to come.  Wink does need to prevent bringing in spam from other sources, as do the search engines when they decide whether to index a site.
The model we are building is designed to classify spam even if it was tagged by several accounts, and filter it from our input.  It&#039;s typically become an arms race between clever tricks to manipulate results and algorithms to block the spam.  With user input we add users&#039; voices in addition to the algorithms.
That said, we have seen that some sources are more susceptible to spam than others and if a source became overwhelmed with spam we may consider excluding that source.  That&#039;s the approach - sorry if I can&#039;t go into too much detail about our specific algorithms. As you said, we too hope Wink gains traction before the black hats try to degrade the service.&lt;/I&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked Mike to comment on Mike&#8217;s question above. Here is his response&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Great question.  You&#8217;ve raised the question of spammers who attempt to promote sites by manipulating other services.  Where there&#8217;s an audience, they are bound to come.  Wink does need to prevent bringing in spam from other sources, as do the search engines when they decide whether to index a site.<br />
The model we are building is designed to classify spam even if it was tagged by several accounts, and filter it from our input.  It&#8217;s typically become an arms race between clever tricks to manipulate results and algorithms to block the spam.  With user input we add users&#8217; voices in addition to the algorithms.<br />
That said, we have seen that some sources are more susceptible to spam than others and if a source became overwhelmed with spam we may consider excluding that source.  That&#8217;s the approach &#8211; sorry if I can&#8217;t go into too much detail about our specific algorithms. As you said, we too hope Wink gains traction before the black hats try to degrade the service.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Whitney</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2006/01/winks-michael-tanne-discusses-future.html/comment-page-1#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wink is going to have a tough time with blackhats when they are pulling in from multiple sites as said before. Sometimes as been proven with Google algorithms are just not enough. Thats why when I came up with Seekum I built it with one thing in mind. The people are always right. It is the only algorithm with only 1 variable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wink is going to have a tough time with blackhats when they are pulling in from multiple sites as said before. Sometimes as been proven with Google algorithms are just not enough. Thats why when I came up with Seekum I built it with one thing in mind. The people are always right. It is the only algorithm with only 1 variable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2006/01/winks-michael-tanne-discusses-future.html/comment-page-1#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, I&#039;ll see if he has a more in-depth answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, I&#8217;ll see if he has a more in-depth answer.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOK</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2006/01/winks-michael-tanne-discusses-future.html/comment-page-1#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeOK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insight on Wink Andy.  I do have concerns about the &quot;spam/malicious tagging&quot; question.  I don&#039;t feel it was answered.  How would you stop a company with black hat intentions from creating multiple valid accounts from within Del.icio.us, Digg and Furl??  The same sort of thing Google has come up against in it&#039;s Pagerack alg.  This seems even harder to attack.  I myself can think of two or three ways to create multiple accounts from multiple IP addresses, automated of course, to manipluate the system.  In my opinion, I hope Michael can gain traction fast before the black hats start to degrade the service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insight on Wink Andy.  I do have concerns about the &#8220;spam/malicious tagging&#8221; question.  I don&#8217;t feel it was answered.  How would you stop a company with black hat intentions from creating multiple valid accounts from within Del.icio.us, Digg and Furl??  The same sort of thing Google has come up against in it&#8217;s Pagerack alg.  This seems even harder to attack.  I myself can think of two or three ways to create multiple accounts from multiple IP addresses, automated of course, to manipluate the system.  In my opinion, I hope Michael can gain traction fast before the black hats start to degrade the service.</p>
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