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		<title>By: freelance</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-59959</link>
		<dc:creator>freelance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative about spam emails thru Gmail filter.

However, email spamming in general is definitely a big dollar consumer (billions) and bandwidth eater. A free software, very simple to install at your server; edit spam words file and spam email addresses to delete spam emails; can be downloaded FREE from our website to delete spam emails at your server itself.

Satya (a.k.a freelance.dbperl.com/fight_spam.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative about spam emails thru Gmail filter.</p>
<p>However, email spamming in general is definitely a big dollar consumer (billions) and bandwidth eater. A free software, very simple to install at your server; edit spam words file and spam email addresses to delete spam emails; can be downloaded FREE from our website to delete spam emails at your server itself.</p>
<p>Satya (a.k.a freelance.dbperl.com/fight_spam.html)</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-25665</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed a lot of false-positives since upgrading from WP 2.0.4 to 2.1.3 and moving to a new host last week. I&#039;d say about 80% of my legit comments in the last several days have been flagged by Akismet as being spam even though most of them have been left by frequent users that never had been flagged before. It could be a fluke from the entries I&#039;ve written, it could be that the upgraded Akismet is far more aggressive than it needs to be.

I agree that Akismet desperately needs a &quot;whitelist&quot; function so you can skip checks on comments from specific IP addresses or any other set of criteria. It also needs to give you a &quot;blacklist&quot; threshold so that repeat offenders can be given a 403 error to shut them out, possibly in conjunction with Bad Behavior or http:BL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed a lot of false-positives since upgrading from WP 2.0.4 to 2.1.3 and moving to a new host last week. I&#8217;d say about 80% of my legit comments in the last several days have been flagged by Akismet as being spam even though most of them have been left by frequent users that never had been flagged before. It could be a fluke from the entries I&#8217;ve written, it could be that the upgraded Akismet is far more aggressive than it needs to be.</p>
<p>I agree that Akismet desperately needs a &#8220;whitelist&#8221; function so you can skip checks on comments from specific IP addresses or any other set of criteria. It also needs to give you a &#8220;blacklist&#8221; threshold so that repeat offenders can be given a 403 error to shut them out, possibly in conjunction with Bad Behavior or http:BL.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay D'Souza</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18591</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay D'Souza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SK2 is definitely the way to go if you are having problems with Akismet. It has a lot more control than I have found with Akismet. 

However, I really suggest is that you setup an additional line of defence in the form of the math plugin for wordpress or a captcha plugin. It prevents a lot of bot generated comments so SK2 or Akismet don&#039;t even need to process them.

As for Gmail, its starting to irritate me because the comments I make on my blog are landing up in the spam bin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SK2 is definitely the way to go if you are having problems with Akismet. It has a lot more control than I have found with Akismet. </p>
<p>However, I really suggest is that you setup an additional line of defence in the form of the math plugin for wordpress or a captcha plugin. It prevents a lot of bot generated comments so SK2 or Akismet don&#8217;t even need to process them.</p>
<p>As for Gmail, its starting to irritate me because the comments I make on my blog are landing up in the spam bin!</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Pike</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18579</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A HUGE vote here for Spam Karma 2.  I couldn&#039;t tell you the last time I had a false positive or negative, and my blogs get thousands of spams every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A HUGE vote here for Spam Karma 2.  I couldn&#8217;t tell you the last time I had a false positive or negative, and my blogs get thousands of spams every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18556</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, I agree with your thoughts. I couldn&#039;t operate with some kind of spam filter and a person leaving a legitimate comments on my blog, could be spamming dozens of others.

Seeing as Akismet is a plugin, surely it could be modified to let me overide what it thinks is spam, on a local level only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, I agree with your thoughts. I couldn&#8217;t operate with some kind of spam filter and a person leaving a legitimate comments on my blog, could be spamming dozens of others.</p>
<p>Seeing as Akismet is a plugin, surely it could be modified to let me overide what it thinks is spam, on a local level only.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18551</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few issues.

First, obviously we need to go after the originators of spam - follow the money, as someone is getting rich or else it wouldn&#039;t continue (lately, it&#039;s gotten much worse).

Second, speaking generally, while some people might actually leave legitimate comments on one site, at other times, they&#039;re spamming other sites from the same machine. Hence, they get snagged by the spam filter.

I had a client once who tried to run a small email campaign for his home business from his home computer. He was a Comcast cable subscriber, so any originating email from his personal machine quickly got his IP address blacklisted on SORBS and many others.

A reality check for us to see how good we actually have it is to turn off Akismet for one day and watch the spam sludge ooze back in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few issues.</p>
<p>First, obviously we need to go after the originators of spam &#8211; follow the money, as someone is getting rich or else it wouldn&#8217;t continue (lately, it&#8217;s gotten much worse).</p>
<p>Second, speaking generally, while some people might actually leave legitimate comments on one site, at other times, they&#8217;re spamming other sites from the same machine. Hence, they get snagged by the spam filter.</p>
<p>I had a client once who tried to run a small email campaign for his home business from his home computer. He was a Comcast cable subscriber, so any originating email from his personal machine quickly got his IP address blacklisted on SORBS and many others.</p>
<p>A reality check for us to see how good we actually have it is to turn off Akismet for one day and watch the spam sludge ooze back in.</p>
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		<title>By: Caydel</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18458</link>
		<dc:creator>Caydel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that Gmail uses a centralized database/neural net for spam. I think some of the individual differences in the amount of false positives coming through may just be a function of the relative amounts of spam coming into an account.

For example, an account which normally gets 200 spam per day may get a single false positive per day while an account that gets 20 spam per day may only get a false positive every two weeks.

Although your email may look different from that of a 14 year old girl, you still are, in all likelyhood, recieving the same spam, which I am sure is tripping the same filters and getting the same handling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that Gmail uses a centralized database/neural net for spam. I think some of the individual differences in the amount of false positives coming through may just be a function of the relative amounts of spam coming into an account.</p>
<p>For example, an account which normally gets 200 spam per day may get a single false positive per day while an account that gets 20 spam per day may only get a false positive every two weeks.</p>
<p>Although your email may look different from that of a 14 year old girl, you still are, in all likelyhood, recieving the same spam, which I am sure is tripping the same filters and getting the same handling.</p>
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		<title>By: rick gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18457</link>
		<dc:creator>rick gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... true of course. The interesting question then is why GMail would show such radically different results for people (I can&#039;t speak in detail  to Akismet since I don&#039;t blog). The question is whether they ONLY use a central database of whether filtering also factors in individual training as do some belief network based systems. After all, while much of our email may look the same I doubt my email looks much like that of a 14 teenage girl (I&#039;m 48 and male).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; true of course. The interesting question then is why GMail would show such radically different results for people (I can&#8217;t speak in detail  to Akismet since I don&#8217;t blog). The question is whether they ONLY use a central database of whether filtering also factors in individual training as do some belief network based systems. After all, while much of our email may look the same I doubt my email looks much like that of a 14 teenage girl (I&#8217;m 48 and male).</p>
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		<title>By: Caydel</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18452</link>
		<dc:creator>Caydel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 04:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick:

While that is true, Akismet uses a centralized database with a neural net of some sort. People would have to radically change their blacklisting/despamming behaviour &#039;en masse&#039; in order to affect Akismet to that extent. Same case for Gmail, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick:</p>
<p>While that is true, Akismet uses a centralized database with a neural net of some sort. People would have to radically change their blacklisting/despamming behaviour &#8216;en masse&#8217; in order to affect Akismet to that extent. Same case for Gmail, I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: rick gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 04:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there&#039;s me... GMail misses maybe 1 in 50 spams and rarely does false positives.  I get about 50 pieces of spam a day in GMail - 1-3 make it through. Maybe one or 2 false positives a week. I can&#039;t complain about that.  

The thing about GMail and Akismet is that you have to train them - and keep doing it. If you simply delete the spam or move the false positives back manually you&#039;re not populating the filter&#039;s database correctly. 

Now, if someone is doing this and still seein a lot of false positives or missed spam, I&#039;m a bit at a loss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s me&#8230; GMail misses maybe 1 in 50 spams and rarely does false positives.  I get about 50 pieces of spam a day in GMail &#8211; 1-3 make it through. Maybe one or 2 false positives a week. I can&#8217;t complain about that.  </p>
<p>The thing about GMail and Akismet is that you have to train them &#8211; and keep doing it. If you simply delete the spam or move the false positives back manually you&#8217;re not populating the filter&#8217;s database correctly. </p>
<p>Now, if someone is doing this and still seein a lot of false positives or missed spam, I&#8217;m a bit at a loss</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18414</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very happy with SK2 - only one major problem when someone managed to get their IP banned by commenting so fast they resembled a bot.

Most first time posters have no problem at all if commenting on new content. On older content they sometimes have to fill out the captcha.

As for Gmail, it handled the Christmas spam session fairly well, the only annoying thing was when my contact form emails started appearing in the spam folder though I have that cleared up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very happy with SK2 &#8211; only one major problem when someone managed to get their IP banned by commenting so fast they resembled a bot.</p>
<p>Most first time posters have no problem at all if commenting on new content. On older content they sometimes have to fill out the captcha.</p>
<p>As for Gmail, it handled the Christmas spam session fairly well, the only annoying thing was when my contact form emails started appearing in the spam folder though I have that cleared up.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jensen (SoloSEO)</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/more-spam-control-needed-with-akismet.html/comment-page-1#comment-18406</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jensen (SoloSEO)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been having the same issue with Akismet. I&#039;ve had about 1 comment a day or every other day in there, which forces me to go through them. It&#039;s better than getting a moderation email with each one, but not as reliable as it was a month or more ago.

Gmail becomes more disappointing with junk mail. I have it combined with Mail (Mac OS X), which is a pretty strong combination, but I still get these stock alert emails and RSET or QUIT emails that always make it through.

Thanks for the blog Andy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having the same issue with Akismet. I&#8217;ve had about 1 comment a day or every other day in there, which forces me to go through them. It&#8217;s better than getting a moderation email with each one, but not as reliable as it was a month or more ago.</p>
<p>Gmail becomes more disappointing with junk mail. I have it combined with Mail (Mac OS X), which is a pretty strong combination, but I still get these stock alert emails and RSET or QUIT emails that always make it through.</p>
<p>Thanks for the blog Andy!</p>
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		<title>By: Caydel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caydel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed the same trends with both Akismet and Gmail.

I&#039;ve heard that &lt;a href=&quot;http://unknowngenius.com/blog/wordpress/spam-karma/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spam Karma 2&lt;/a&gt; does a good job with Wordpress comments. If Akismet doesn&#039;t start cleaning up it&#039;s act soon, I am going to give it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed the same trends with both Akismet and Gmail.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that <a href="http://unknowngenius.com/blog/wordpress/spam-karma/" rel="nofollow">Spam Karma 2</a> does a good job with WordPress comments. If Akismet doesn&#8217;t start cleaning up it&#8217;s act soon, I am going to give it a shot.</p>
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