Comments on: V7N Enters the Link Buying Business http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html Internet Marketing News Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:02:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: V7N Brokering Contextual Links | TheVanBlog http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-40566 V7N Brokering Contextual Links | TheVanBlog Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:25:49 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-40566 [...] for SEO & Bloggers V7N launches Contextual Link Ad Network The New Contextual Links @ V7N V7N Enters the Link Buying Business V7 boasting ethical paid [...] [...] for SEO & Bloggers V7N launches Contextual Link Ad Network The New Contextual Links @ V7N V7N Enters the Link Buying Business V7 boasting ethical paid [...]

]]> By: LittleAmerica.us » Blog Archive » Link Buying Controversy http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-23717 LittleAmerica.us » Blog Archive » Link Buying Controversy Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:34:03 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-23717 [...] And Marketing Pilgrim is in the mix as well. [...] [...] And Marketing Pilgrim is in the mix as well. [...]

]]> By: Juiczee http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21366 Juiczee Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:48:00 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21366 Page Rank is dead.....Long live Cutts Rank. http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060510-123802 Google is "supposed" to rank pages using 200 quality signals but that seems to be not working, all google academic PhD's are worthless against much more intelligent entrepreneurs. http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/undetectable-spam/ This blog post is clear and obvious admission that google algorithms has miserably failed, means google stock price will fall soon, because the whole premise of google is it can "algorithmically rank pages" there by "eliminating human review". Get ready for web 2.0 crash......... Page Rank is dead…..Long live Cutts Rank.

http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060510-123802
Google is “supposed” to rank pages using 200 quality signals but that seems to be not working, all google academic PhD’s are worthless against much more intelligent entrepreneurs.

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/undetectable-spam/
This blog post is clear and obvious admission that google algorithms has miserably failed, means google stock price will fall soon, because the whole premise of google is it can “algorithmically rank pages” there by “eliminating human review”. Get ready for web 2.0 crash………

]]> By: Jordan McCollum http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21353 Jordan McCollum Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:39:06 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21353 Okay, Obvious Man, I'll play along. I'll even be obvious woman. Obviously, you're kidding, but just in case, by "undetectable" V7N means "undetectable as paid and not completely organic links." V7N has now removed that claim from their site. Okay, Obvious Man, I’ll play along. I’ll even be obvious woman. Obviously, you’re kidding, but just in case, by “undetectable” V7N means “undetectable as paid and not completely organic links.”

V7N has now removed that claim from their site.

]]> By: Okinawa http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21315 Okinawa Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:44:03 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21315 Obvious Man, he means that in a different way I think. :) Obvious Man, he means that in a different way I think. :)

]]> By: Obvious Man http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21314 Obvious Man Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:35:50 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21314 I wanted to be "Obvious Man" here...V7N says, <i>"Contextual Links @ V7N are undetectable to search engines. "</i> If the search engine cannot detect them, what is the point? I wanted to be “Obvious Man” here…V7N says,

“Contextual Links @ V7N are undetectable to search engines. “

If the search engine cannot detect them, what is the point?

]]> By: kiviniar http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21164 kiviniar Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:32:38 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21164 Well all i can say is that for a blogger like me, this could be a source of steady income and well John has been know for keeping his promises and with the added income, one cannot complain.. From the publishers point of view, the inventory would build faster than any - many quality blog owners would jump in the opportunity to further monetize there incomes. Talk about the hassles of looking for link clients and one can waste all his time there... Great to hear it John and best of luck with it Well all i can say is that for a blogger like me, this could be a source of steady income and well John has been know for keeping his promises and with the added income, one cannot complain..

From the publishers point of view, the inventory would build faster than any – many quality blog owners would jump in the opportunity to further monetize there incomes.

Talk about the hassles of looking for link clients and one can waste all his time there…

Great to hear it John and best of luck with it

]]> By: V7N launches Contextual Link Ad Network http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21161 V7N launches Contextual Link Ad Network Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:23:04 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21161 [...] Scott has said that they’ve already had over $20,000 in advertising orders even before they’ve started aggressively advertising the program. Some clarifications by Scott on the topic of publisher agreements: “We request that bloggers blog about the topic of the link, not the website itself. For example, if we were promoting v7inc.com we would request that the blogger blog about the topic of web hosting, not V7 Inc. They would need to include the link within a sentence, with the anchor text assigned by the advertiser.”(source) [...] [...] Scott has said that they’ve already had over $20,000 in advertising orders even before they’ve started aggressively advertising the program. Some clarifications by Scott on the topic of publisher agreements: “We request that bloggers blog about the topic of the link, not the website itself. For example, if we were promoting v7inc.com we would request that the blogger blog about the topic of web hosting, not V7 Inc. They would need to include the link within a sentence, with the anchor text assigned by the advertiser.”(source) [...]

]]> By: Jeff http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21112 Jeff Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:18:56 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21112 @Brian Turner - You've raised a legitimate concern and I've addressed this in detail here: http://www.avivadirectory.com/downloadblog/?p=240#comment-1874 @Brian Turner – You’ve raised a legitimate concern and I’ve addressed this in detail here:
http://www.avivadirectory.com/downloadblog/?p=240#comment-1874

]]> By: Okinawa http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21102 Okinawa Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:03:40 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21102 Well, it's pretty obvious that there's a market for it. Where there's a market, there's money to be made. Well, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a market for it. Where there’s a market, there’s money to be made.

]]> By: SoloSEO Blog » Purchase Links… Is it Moral or Ethical? Is it Legal? http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21098 SoloSEO Blog » Purchase Links… Is it Moral or Ethical? Is it Legal? Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:09:47 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21098 [...] I was led to a post by Jordan McCollum on Andy Beal’s Marketing Pilgrim today. It was there I read, to my horror, that V7, Inc, a hosting company (voted best hosting company in 2003, which is interesting) is now going to sell contextual links (links contained in the text of a web page), which they claim will be undetectable by Google. Based on the blog post and the resulting comments, I think a very important the point is being completely overlooked. There is a good discussion of whether buying links is ethical or moral, and whether we should care what Google suggests we do and don’t put on our sites so the rank well. But the discussion must go a bit deeper than this. I personally believe buying links is illegal, which then makes the ethical and moral discussions moot. Especially the moment when the FTC gives you a call and asks if they can come over for a visit tomorrow. [...] [...] I was led to a post by Jordan McCollum on Andy Beal’s Marketing Pilgrim today. It was there I read, to my horror, that V7, Inc, a hosting company (voted best hosting company in 2003, which is interesting) is now going to sell contextual links (links contained in the text of a web page), which they claim will be undetectable by Google. Based on the blog post and the resulting comments, I think a very important the point is being completely overlooked. There is a good discussion of whether buying links is ethical or moral, and whether we should care what Google suggests we do and don’t put on our sites so the rank well. But the discussion must go a bit deeper than this. I personally believe buying links is illegal, which then makes the ethical and moral discussions moot. Especially the moment when the FTC gives you a call and asks if they can come over for a visit tomorrow. [...]

]]> By: Jordan McCollum http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21095 Jordan McCollum Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21095 Yes, it is, 97th Floor (Chris). John also told me that hopefully in the next few hours, publishers should be able to sign up. On publisher guidelines, he said, "We request that bloggers blog about the topic of the link, not the website itself. For example, if we were promoting www.v7inc.com we would request that the blogger blog about the topic of web hosting, not V7 Inc. "They would need to include the link within a sentence, with the anchor text assigned by the advertiser." Should be interesting to see how far Contextual Links goes! Yes, it is, 97th Floor (Chris). John also told me that hopefully in the next few hours, publishers should be able to sign up.

On publisher guidelines, he said, “We request that bloggers blog about the topic of the link, not the website itself. For example, if we were promoting http://www.v7inc.com we would request that the blogger blog about the topic of web hosting, not V7 Inc.

“They would need to include the link within a sentence, with the anchor text assigned by the advertiser.”

Should be interesting to see how far Contextual Links goes!

]]> By: 97th Floor http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21094 97th Floor Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:43:54 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21094 Also I just did an interview with John Scott on the new service. On the Blog some pretty interesteing Stuff. Also I just did an interview with John Scott on the new service. On the Blog some pretty interesteing Stuff.

]]> By: 97th Floor http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21093 97th Floor Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:18:54 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21093 Jordan in regards to your post I posted the track back and I was in no way implying you were saying anything about buying links related to ethics and God. I will go back and edit the post. I was talking in general to the whole controversy. There was so much debate about it last month on Jim Boykin and SEOMOZ that I wanted to state the only ethical problems I have with seo is things actually tied to beliefs and God. Like Adult spam targeted to minors, and telling a client one thing and doing another. Your reply was very welcomed and thanks for clarifying the different sides of ethics in and out of business. Jordan in regards to your post I posted the track back and I was in no way implying you were saying anything about buying links related to ethics and God. I will go back and edit the post. I was talking in general to the whole controversy. There was so much debate about it last month on Jim Boykin and SEOMOZ that I wanted to state the only ethical problems I have with seo is things actually tied to beliefs and God. Like Adult spam targeted to minors, and telling a client one thing and doing another. Your reply was very welcomed and thanks for clarifying the different sides of ethics in and out of business.

]]> By: John Scott http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21090 John Scott Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:23:45 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21090 Hi guys, and thanks for the mention. The Contextual Links program was supposed to launch on the 15th, but we had some issues and it should be online later today. (Promise from my programmer.) "but what’s the inventory like?" Brian, the inventory right now is not so large, as we've only been running the program in beta for a short time in our private forums. But the inventory is good quality. And we will be aggressively growing that inventory with some major advertising. As far as orders go, we have clients lined up to us the program. From running in beta, we have had over $20,000 in orders and we haven't even reached out to our database of link builders. I think it will be a great program for both bloggers and for advertisers, but if anybody wants to point out how we can improve I'm hungry for feedback. :) As far as the ethics of link buying is concerned.... Some people will always be opposed to any commercialization of the Internet. Needless to say, I'm not one of those. Hi guys, and thanks for the mention.

The Contextual Links program was supposed to launch on the 15th, but we had some issues and it should be online later today. (Promise from my programmer.)

“but what’s the inventory like?”

Brian, the inventory right now is not so large, as we’ve only been running the program in beta for a short time in our private forums. But the inventory is good quality. And we will be aggressively growing that inventory with some major advertising.

As far as orders go, we have clients lined up to us the program. From running in beta, we have had over $20,000 in orders and we haven’t even reached out to our database of link builders.

I think it will be a great program for both bloggers and for advertisers, but if anybody wants to point out how we can improve I’m hungry for feedback. :)

As far as the ethics of link buying is concerned…. Some people will always be opposed to any commercialization of the Internet. Needless to say, I’m not one of those.

]]> By: Jordan McCollum http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21089 Jordan McCollum Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:27:40 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21089 I noticed that (hence the "V7N claims"; I actually really liked the page paragraph on joining their network). I guess they think they'll fill up pretty quick with members from their forums and their already established affiliate partners, etc. I'm having to guess at a lot of this as I go along because, as you said, they don't have a sign up form or much of anything else up yet. I actually have to go through my comments and my post to remove phrases like "I guess" and "I can only presume." The limited amount of information and capabilities on their site makes me even more skeptical of the service. I'll see if I can get an interview to clear things up. I noticed that (hence the “V7N claims”; I actually really liked the page paragraph on joining their network). I guess they think they’ll fill up pretty quick with members from their forums and their already established affiliate partners, etc.

I’m having to guess at a lot of this as I go along because, as you said, they don’t have a sign up form or much of anything else up yet. I actually have to go through my comments and my post to remove phrases like “I guess” and “I can only presume.”

The limited amount of information and capabilities on their site makes me even more skeptical of the service.

I’ll see if I can get an interview to clear things up.

]]> By: Jeremy Luebke http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21088 Jeremy Luebke Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:00:14 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21088 Jordan, I seriously doubt that. They just launched and you can't even sign up as a publisher yet because they don't link to a sign up form. Jordan,

I seriously doubt that. They just launched and you can’t even sign up as a publisher yet because they don’t link to a sign up form.

]]> By: Jordan McCollum http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21087 Jordan McCollum Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:40:06 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21087 V7N claims they have "more publishers than the other guys" and "access to tens of thousands of proven link buyers." No run of site links, though. V7N claims they have “more publishers than the other guys” and “access to tens of thousands of proven link buyers.” No run of site links, though.

]]> By: Brian Turner http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21085 Brian Turner Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:34:31 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21085 Contextual links are one issue - but what's the inventory like? Contextual links are one issue – but what’s the inventory like?

]]> By: Fionn http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html/comment-page-1#comment-21079 Fionn Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:43:31 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/01/v7n-enters-the-link-buying-business.html#comment-21079 Jeremy, I am getting the information from the people who call who have been banned for link buying programs. We ask them to discontinue all link buying programs once they are back in the index we do re-do their SEO and start building their links through content and publicity they do not have any further problems. In the old days it used to be calls from clients banned for doorway pages now its link buying. I have signed two such clients in the last two months. Both were buying links from link selling networks. I think the link sellers do not want to believe that it can happen its only when one of your clients gets banned that you will realize Google are serious. I do not believe it hurts for Yahoo and MSN at least I do not have any first hand proof that it cause issues. Jeremy,
I am getting the information from the people who call who have been banned for link buying programs. We ask them to discontinue all link buying programs once they are back in the index we do re-do their SEO and start building their links through content and publicity they do not have any further problems. In the old days it used to be calls from clients banned for doorway pages now its link buying. I have signed two such clients in the last two months. Both were buying links from link selling networks. I think the link sellers do not want to believe that it can happen its only when one of your clients gets banned that you will realize Google are serious. I do not believe it hurts for Yahoo and MSN at least I do not have any first hand proof that it cause issues.

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