Comments on: SEOs – Slimebuckets or Geniuses? http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html Internet Marketing News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:14:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Starr http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-73693 Starr Sat, 16 May 2009 19:11:45 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-73693 You know, I think its ridiculous to sum up all SEO Specialists into one lump category. while there certainly are some specialists that give the rest of us a bad rap, there are also those of us who stick to the rules and guidelines and simply get the job done. If your are good enough at white hat SEO, you dont need to resort to unethical methods, and you have a much more solid base to stand on when all is said and done You know, I think its ridiculous to sum up all SEO Specialists into one lump category. while there certainly are some specialists that give the rest of us a bad rap, there are also those of us who stick to the rules and guidelines and simply get the job done. If your are good enough at white hat SEO, you dont need to resort to unethical methods, and you have a much more solid base to stand on when all is said and done

]]> By: Internet Marketing Company http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-45990 Internet Marketing Company Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:20:57 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-45990 I agree steve. But it gets harder as long as "slimbuckets" as Jason puts it, continue to crawl the SEO world. I just hope that other SEO companies would be proactive in how they do work. Makes a better place for everyone. I agree steve. But it gets harder as long as “slimbuckets” as Jason puts it, continue to crawl the SEO world. I just hope that other SEO companies would be proactive in how they do work. Makes a better place for everyone.

]]> By: Billy Marks|SEO Services http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-45989 Billy Marks|SEO Services Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:17:21 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-45989 Definitely geniuses! What else? Definitely geniuses! What else?

]]> By: Billy Marks|SEO Services http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-45436 Billy Marks|SEO Services Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:22:15 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-45436 Bravo Danny and Andy! Seriously though Jason needs to get it out of his mind. He is out of control and just basing around just because a handful of SEO's are not able to deliver what they're supposed to. And yeah, stick to what you know Jason. Bravo Danny and Andy!

Seriously though Jason needs to get it out of his mind. He is out of control and just basing around just because a handful of SEO’s are not able to deliver what they’re supposed to.

And yeah, stick to what you know Jason.

]]> By: Steve DiFabio http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-41586 Steve DiFabio Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:05:54 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-41586 There is alot of slime buckets out there. Most of them do not want to do actual work. Once people put there trust in seo's and nothing gets done to the site, they dont want to use an seo any longer. It's hard to put trust in true seo. There is alot of slime buckets out there. Most of them do not want to do actual work. Once people put there trust in seo’s and nothing gets done to the site, they dont want to use an seo any longer. It’s hard to put trust in true seo.

]]> By: Nate Moller http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-22130 Nate Moller Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:26:54 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-22130 Jason Calacanis sounds like the people that rip on Wal-Mart, Disney World, and other big successful businessses. I imagine, without knowing much about the guy, that he's got a hidden agenda of some sort. Is he trying to sell his own SEO services or design service? Because that's usually what most of these types do - they criticize other businesses and then market their own indirectly! "Bold strategy - we'll see how it works out for him." Or possibly Jason has read other SEO blogs that talk about making posts that are controversial to get more traffic! I'm sure he's achieving that goal. I've seen lots of SEO professionals - some I like, some I laugh at. But like what was mentioned before, every industry has the "slimy sort" and then there are the prime of the prime. Without good SEO, I wouldn't have successful businesses. GO SEO!! Jason Calacanis sounds like the people that rip on Wal-Mart, Disney World, and other big successful businessses. I imagine, without knowing much about the guy, that he’s got a hidden agenda of some sort. Is he trying to sell his own SEO services or design service? Because that’s usually what most of these types do – they criticize other businesses and then market their own indirectly! “Bold strategy – we’ll see how it works out for him.” Or possibly Jason has read other SEO blogs that talk about making posts that are controversial to get more traffic! I’m sure he’s achieving that goal. I’ve seen lots of SEO professionals – some I like, some I laugh at. But like what was mentioned before, every industry has the “slimy sort” and then there are the prime of the prime. Without good SEO, I wouldn’t have successful businesses. GO SEO!!

]]> By: Mat Siltala’s SEO Blog | Social Media Marketing & Blog Promotion » The SMO (Social Media Optimization) Debate http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21929 Mat Siltala’s SEO Blog | Social Media Marketing & Blog Promotion » The SMO (Social Media Optimization) Debate Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:07:11 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21929 [...] Andy Beal Share the link love: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] Andy Beal Share the link love: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: Andy Beard http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21900 Andy Beard Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:51:37 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21900 I experiment with various things, but I have never created a link farm as big as Jason did. I experiment with various things, but I have never created a link farm as big as Jason did.

]]> By: The Truth About SEO » Publishing 2.0 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21894 The Truth About SEO » Publishing 2.0 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:41:44 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21894 [...] When a controversy foments to the point where both sides are shouting at the top of their lungs and can’t even hear each other, the truth is typically somewhere between the two extremes. Such is the case it seems with search engine optimization, or SEO. Jason Calacanis thinks that SEO is bullshit and that 90% of SEO practitioners are scammers. Some of the smartest search folks came out in force to try to show Jason the error of his thinking, including Danny Sullivan (in a virtuoso post), Neil Patel, and Andy Beal. (I’m linking to these folks because it’s part of being a good member of the linking web — more on that in a minute.) [...] [...] When a controversy foments to the point where both sides are shouting at the top of their lungs and can’t even hear each other, the truth is typically somewhere between the two extremes. Such is the case it seems with search engine optimization, or SEO. Jason Calacanis thinks that SEO is bullshit and that 90% of SEO practitioners are scammers. Some of the smartest search folks came out in force to try to show Jason the error of his thinking, including Danny Sullivan (in a virtuoso post), Neil Patel, and Andy Beal. (I’m linking to these folks because it’s part of being a good member of the linking web — more on that in a minute.) [...]

]]> By: Dave Davies http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21890 Dave Davies Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:47:44 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21890 Oh my God ... Well a big thanks for Andy and Danny for the time they put into their respective replies to this uneducated series of attacks. Why are we upset Jason? Let's try this on for size, "People who work for VC firms are lazy and only want to make money off other people's work." This is an obviously false statement and many work very hard I'm sure but it applies to some - so should all be painted with the same brush? SEO, proper SEO, is a complicated and ever-growing aspect of Internet Marketing and anyone who wants to simplify it, belittle those who make a career of it, or lump it in with web design (a completely separate and highly skilled area) have no right past the first amendment to speak on the subject. But that's just one SEO's opinion - and obviously a biased one ;) Oh my God …

Well a big thanks for Andy and Danny for the time they put into their respective replies to this uneducated series of attacks.

Why are we upset Jason? Let’s try this on for size, “People who work for VC firms are lazy and only want to make money off other people’s work.” This is an obviously false statement and many work very hard I’m sure but it applies to some – so should all be painted with the same brush?

SEO, proper SEO, is a complicated and ever-growing aspect of Internet Marketing and anyone who wants to simplify it, belittle those who make a career of it, or lump it in with web design (a completely separate and highly skilled area) have no right past the first amendment to speak on the subject.

But that’s just one SEO’s opinion – and obviously a biased one ;)

]]> By: Marshall Sponder http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21888 Marshall Sponder Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:50:54 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21888 I think the "truth" is somewhere between both extremes. I've been doing SEO and some SEM work for the last 4-5 years and I don't think it's rocket science, but I would not like to think of it as a commodity either. Sure, the basics of SEO are fairly well established, but a lot of the rest of it is guessing what Google wants, what it cares about. And then, the "snake oil SEO's" seems like an oversimplification - some people make promises about what they can do for your site they can't deliver on. I'm feel SEO has become mainstream, it's no longer that interesting - I like Web Analytics better - and hopefully, Web Analytics won't end up a commodity (but I hear there are couple of "Dummies" books plus the Web Analytics One Hour a Day book) being published this year. I think the “truth” is somewhere between both extremes.

I’ve been doing SEO and some SEM work for the last 4-5 years and I don’t think it’s rocket science, but I would not like to think of it as a commodity either.

Sure, the basics of SEO are fairly well established, but a lot of the rest of it is guessing what Google wants, what it cares about.

And then, the “snake oil SEO’s” seems like an oversimplification – some people make promises about what they can do for your site they can’t deliver on.

I’m feel SEO has become mainstream, it’s no longer that interesting – I like Web Analytics better – and hopefully, Web Analytics won’t end up a commodity (but I hear there are couple of “Dummies” books plus the Web Analytics One Hour a Day book) being published this year.

]]> By: Patrick Gavin http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21884 Patrick Gavin Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:04:38 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21884 One vote for Diller. One vote for Diller.

]]> By: Ethan http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html/comment-page-1#comment-21881 Ethan Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:06:27 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/02/seos-slimebuckets-or-geniuses.html#comment-21881 I had a chance to speak with Jason at the iMedia Brand Summit this week and he just dosent get it. Sure there are black hat snake oil salesmen out there. But the days of hidden text on the page are over my friend. He thinks SEO is gaming the engines... I think the art of SEO is more like a usability exercise. You are figuring out the language of your potential users and then desiging a site with that in mind. Along the way you are removing any potenital technical issues that would cause the engines not to be able to see your site. Fixing many of those issues also too help your visitors. If you have ever spoken with him you will know that he is a putz with no personality that loves to get people up in arms. Its a shame we are even speaking his name. I had a chance to speak with Jason at the iMedia Brand Summit this week and he just dosent get it. Sure there are black hat snake oil salesmen out there. But the days of hidden text on the page are over my friend.

He thinks SEO is gaming the engines… I think the art of SEO is more like a usability exercise. You are figuring out the language of your potential users and then desiging a site with that in mind. Along the way you are removing any potenital technical issues that would cause the engines not to be able to see your site. Fixing many of those issues also too help your visitors.

If you have ever spoken with him you will know that he is a putz with no personality that loves to get people up in arms. Its a shame we are even speaking his name.

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