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		<title>By: The Blogger&#8217;s Code Of Conduct: A Pointless Pursuit &#124; TheVanBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-40649</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blogger&#8217;s Code Of Conduct: A Pointless Pursuit &#124; TheVanBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Why O’Reilly’s Blogger’s Code of Conduct Must Die - Andy Beal at Marketing Pilgrim [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Proud to be Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proud to be Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is G o o g l e&#039;s cache of 
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html as 
retrieved on 23 Apr 2007 13:11:52 GMT.
G o o g l e&#039;s cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web.

Google is neither affiliated with the authors of this page 
NOR RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS CONTENTâ€.

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Google owns Blogger.com. Has Tim Oâ€™Reilly contacted Google with the section of his proposed code that must (by ipso facto) also apply to the platform as well as the blog administrator?

In an interview with Wired on Friday (13th) to promote his latest web 2.0 conference,O&#039;Reilly said: &quot;I&#039;ve come to think the call for a code of conduct was a bit misguided.â€ The admission came two days after a post on his Radar blog entitled &quot;Code of Conduct: Lessons Learned So Far&quot;. In it he wrote: &quot;I was proposing a modular set of terms of service, so somebody could say, &#039;I don&#039;t want this kind of behaviour.&#039; Now, a lot of people already do that, so it&#039;s really much ado about nothing.&quot;

Despite coming to the above conclusion, The Oâ€™Reilly Saga continues in his comments section with commenters posting ridiculous off-topic subjects and stupid Youtube links. Oâ€™Reilly says he knows the person who attacked Kathy Sierra. He gets the victim and the perpetrator together on CNN â€“ then somebody pumps up the NY Times publicity machinery for both the victim and the perpetrator. It doesnâ€™t take a genius to see who may be benefiting from this little fracas.

Then Oâ€™Reilly starts blaming a random responder (Lessons Learned So Far) as being one of the attackersâ€¦andâ€¦heâ€™s started deleting and prioritising the â€œbestâ€ replies, ones that mirror his opinions, which are severely lacking in substance. So, the entire &quot;Lessons Learned So Far&quot; thread must be accessed and read from the Google cached copy.

When bloggers respond from their websites,the sources seem to have been obliterated once the post is published - most of the track backs lead to Oâ€™Reillyâ€™s Radar Website â€“ and (duh! â€“ as an Internet expert!) he is unaware that there are persistent error messages generated in his respondersâ€™ posts, so that it becomes a hit and miss game whether the post actually gets published or not.

Perhaps Timâ€™s involvement relates to this little gem.

Sierraâ€™s current gig, along with her partner Bert Bates, is 
developing and producing the bizarre new Head First series of books for O&#039;Reilly.

Proud to be Anonymous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is G o o g l e&#8217;s cache of<br />
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html as<br />
retrieved on 23 Apr 2007 13:11:52 GMT.<br />
G o o g l e&#8217;s cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web.</p>
<p>Google is neither affiliated with the authors of this page<br />
NOR RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS CONTENTâ€.</p>
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<p>Google owns Blogger.com. Has Tim Oâ€™Reilly contacted Google with the section of his proposed code that must (by ipso facto) also apply to the platform as well as the blog administrator?</p>
<p>In an interview with Wired on Friday (13th) to promote his latest web 2.0 conference,O&#8217;Reilly said: &#8220;I&#8217;ve come to think the call for a code of conduct was a bit misguided.â€ The admission came two days after a post on his Radar blog entitled &#8220;Code of Conduct: Lessons Learned So Far&#8221;. In it he wrote: &#8220;I was proposing a modular set of terms of service, so somebody could say, &#8216;I don&#8217;t want this kind of behaviour.&#8217; Now, a lot of people already do that, so it&#8217;s really much ado about nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite coming to the above conclusion, The Oâ€™Reilly Saga continues in his comments section with commenters posting ridiculous off-topic subjects and stupid Youtube links. Oâ€™Reilly says he knows the person who attacked Kathy Sierra. He gets the victim and the perpetrator together on CNN â€“ then somebody pumps up the NY Times publicity machinery for both the victim and the perpetrator. It doesnâ€™t take a genius to see who may be benefiting from this little fracas.</p>
<p>Then Oâ€™Reilly starts blaming a random responder (Lessons Learned So Far) as being one of the attackersâ€¦andâ€¦heâ€™s started deleting and prioritising the â€œbestâ€ replies, ones that mirror his opinions, which are severely lacking in substance. So, the entire &#8220;Lessons Learned So Far&#8221; thread must be accessed and read from the Google cached copy.</p>
<p>When bloggers respond from their websites,the sources seem to have been obliterated once the post is published &#8211; most of the track backs lead to Oâ€™Reillyâ€™s Radar Website â€“ and (duh! â€“ as an Internet expert!) he is unaware that there are persistent error messages generated in his respondersâ€™ posts, so that it becomes a hit and miss game whether the post actually gets published or not.</p>
<p>Perhaps Timâ€™s involvement relates to this little gem.</p>
<p>Sierraâ€™s current gig, along with her partner Bert Bates, is<br />
developing and producing the bizarre new Head First series of books for O&#8217;Reilly.</p>
<p>Proud to be Anonymous</p>
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		<title>By: Proud to be Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-25350</link>
		<dc:creator>Proud to be Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Call for Code of Conduct by Tim Oâ€™Reilly


The Kathy Sierra business needs closer examination because I think something might be getting overlooked. Kathy Sierra published the IP number on her website

http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2007/03/as_i_type_this_.html


of the alleged perpetrator of these threats that turned out to be someone using an ISP in Madrid, Spain (according to the IP number)

Once the victim, Kathy Sierra, collected the evidence of a crime against her, she purportedly sent it to the Police, whereupon it should have been subject to secrecy on the grounds that the perpetrator wouldn&#039;t get a fair trial if the details were made public.  And what happens next?  The whole scenario is sent to the New York Times, CNN, the BBC and many other minor news outlets.  This seems to prove that there&#039;s NO EVIDENCE of any CRIME having been committed against Kathy Sierra or anybody else.  It would be logical to express ones anguish to the world if one had been stabbed.  But without seeing the blood, the story remains fictitious. 


BY PUBLISHING the IP number of the perpetrator Kathy Sierra has probably inadvertently stalled any further investigations into the crime.  I donâ€™t suppose she has even been given a crime number and I suspect the Law Enforcement Officers concerned pointed out that there is a delete button on her computer.

BY PUBLISHING THE IP number of the alleged perpetrator of a crime, she has committed a crime herself.

wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address  (http)

IP address legality in Europe

It is important that this significant difference in legal status be understood, because Websites that provide for third-party interception of IP addressing information and Traffic Data, without website visitor consent, are committing a criminal offence in the UK by virtue of the regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, where through the requirements of European Council Decision 2005/222/JHA, such Website owners face serious sanctions, including the winding up of their businesses, being debarred from running a business and more than 2 years imprisonment.

P T B Anonymous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Call for Code of Conduct by Tim Oâ€™Reilly</p>
<p>The Kathy Sierra business needs closer examination because I think something might be getting overlooked. Kathy Sierra published the IP number on her website</p>
<p>http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2007/03/as_i_typ e_this_.html</p>
<p>of the alleged perpetrator of these threats that turned out to be someone using an ISP in Madrid, Spain (according to the IP number)</p>
<p>Once the victim, Kathy Sierra, collected the evidence of a crime against her, she purportedly sent it to the Police, whereupon it should have been subject to secrecy on the grounds that the perpetrator wouldn&#8217;t get a fair trial if the details were made public.  And what happens next?  The whole scenario is sent to the New York Times, CNN, the BBC and many other minor news outlets.  This seems to prove that there&#8217;s NO EVIDENCE of any CRIME having been committed against Kathy Sierra or anybody else.  It would be logical to express ones anguish to the world if one had been stabbed.  But without seeing the blood, the story remains fictitious. </p>
<p>BY PUBLISHING the IP number of the perpetrator Kathy Sierra has probably inadvertently stalled any further investigations into the crime.  I donâ€™t suppose she has even been given a crime number and I suspect the Law Enforcement Officers concerned pointed out that there is a delete button on her computer.</p>
<p>BY PUBLISHING THE IP number of the alleged perpetrator of a crime, she has committed a crime herself.</p>
<p>wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address  (http)</p>
<p>IP address legality in Europe</p>
<p>It is important that this significant difference in legal status be understood, because Websites that provide for third-party interception of IP addressing information and Traffic Data, without website visitor consent, are committing a criminal offence in the UK by virtue of the regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, where through the requirements of European Council Decision 2005/222/JHA, such Website owners face serious sanctions, including the winding up of their businesses, being debarred from running a business and more than 2 years imprisonment.</p>
<p>P T B Anonymous</p>
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		<title>By: Osri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the only bloggers code of conduct one should ever need:

&quot;Please be civil and polite.&quot;

If someone chooses not be be civil and polite, then simply delete their comments.  Your blog is your domain, you control the atmosphere. We should consider that our purpose for leaving comments is to enhance the conversation.  To do this, one should make their case for their own viewpoints, instead of attacking the writer as a person.  Improving our knowledge on a particular topic, and perhaps our vocabulary, increases the likelihood of polite and civil conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the only bloggers code of conduct one should ever need:</p>
<p>&#8220;Please be civil and polite.&#8221;</p>
<p>If someone chooses not be be civil and polite, then simply delete their comments.  Your blog is your domain, you control the atmosphere. We should consider that our purpose for leaving comments is to enhance the conversation.  To do this, one should make their case for their own viewpoints, instead of attacking the writer as a person.  Improving our knowledge on a particular topic, and perhaps our vocabulary, increases the likelihood of polite and civil conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: re:publica-Mittwoch &#171; Blogs und Politik</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24409</link>
		<dc:creator>re:publica-Mittwoch &#171; Blogs und Politik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brauchen wir eine Blog-Etikette? Tim O&#8217;Reilly hat ja bekanntlich eine gewisse AutoritÃ¤t und Agenda Setting-Effekt auf das von ihm benannte Web 2.0. Neulich blies er ins moralische Horn und forderte einen BloggerÂ´s Code of Conduct und schon diskutiert die BlogosphÃ¤re und auch die re:publica heftig mit. Die Panel-Mitglieder sind sich quasi einig, dass man - mindestens in Deuschland - keine verbindlichen Regeln mÃ¶chte. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brauchen wir eine Blog-Etikette? Tim O&#8217;Reilly hat ja bekanntlich eine gewisse AutoritÃ¤t und Agenda Setting-Effekt auf das von ihm benannte Web 2.0. Neulich blies er ins moralische Horn und forderte einen BloggerÂ´s Code of Conduct und schon diskutiert die BlogosphÃ¤re und auch die re:publica heftig mit. Die Panel-Mitglieder sind sich quasi einig, dass man &#8211; mindestens in Deuschland &#8211; keine verbindlichen Regeln mÃ¶chte. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Blogger&#8217;s Code Of Conduct: A Pointless Pursuit - TheVanBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24376</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blogger&#8217;s Code Of Conduct: A Pointless Pursuit - TheVanBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Oâ€™Reillyâ€™s Bloggerâ€™s Code of Conduct Must Die - Andy Beal at Marketing Pilgrim [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Utah Bans Keyword Advertising</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24352</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Utah Bans Keyword Advertising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s pretty Utarded if you ask me (I couldn&#8217;t resist Im sorry), this is about as lame as having a blogging code of conduct. or suing someone for linking to them. It is all chipping away at the raw nature of the internet and is definately in favor of large companies. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s pretty Utarded if you ask me (I couldn&#8217;t resist Im sorry), this is about as lame as having a blogging code of conduct. or suing someone for linking to them. It is all chipping away at the raw nature of the internet and is definately in favor of large companies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yehuda Berlinger</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24314</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehuda Berlinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A week prior to the Kathy Sierra thing, I made my own Blogger Code of Ethics, which I think was a little less severe:

http://jergames.blogspot.com/2007/03/blogger-code-of-ethics.html

Yehuda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A week prior to the Kathy Sierra thing, I made my own Blogger Code of Ethics, which I think was a little less severe:</p>
<p>http://jergames.blogspot.com/2007/03/blogger-code-of-ethics.html</p>
<p>Yehuda</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers Code of Conduct, A Personal Thing? &#187; SELaplana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggers Code of Conduct, A Personal Thing? &#187; SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But on the other hand, top western bloggers (Mike Arrington, Dave Taylor, Tony Hung , Jeff Jarvis, Marketing Pilgrim, Ryan Sholin, Mathey Ingram and others) call it a dumb thing, for the code of conduct is a personal thing not a quasi-legislated thing. But I think codes of conduct should be a personal matter, rather than a quasi-legislated thing. Just my two cents. (Mathew Ingram) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But on the other hand, top western bloggers (Mike Arrington, Dave Taylor, Tony Hung , Jeff Jarvis, Marketing Pilgrim, Ryan Sholin, Mathey Ingram and others) call it a dumb thing, for the code of conduct is a personal thing not a quasi-legislated thing. But I think codes of conduct should be a personal matter, rather than a quasi-legislated thing. Just my two cents. (Mathew Ingram) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Setting boundaries for behavior in Social Media at SMOblog</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24288</link>
		<dc:creator>Setting boundaries for behavior in Social Media at SMOblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Great takes on the whole mess from Nick Wilson, Jeff Jarvis and Andy Beal.   If you liked this post, please consider voting for it in the social media: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: Great takes on the whole mess from Nick Wilson, Jeff Jarvis and Andy Beal.   If you liked this post, please consider voting for it in the social media: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: O&#8217;Reilly trademarks &#8220;Ethics 2.0&#8243; &#124; [Geeks Are Sexy] Technology News</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24285</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Reilly trademarks &#8220;Ethics 2.0&#8243; &#124; [Geeks Are Sexy] Technology News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Naturally, the blogosphere erupted. Bloggers like being told how to run their blogs almost as much as they enjoy DMCA take-down notices. Andy Beal points out flaws in most of the above commandments, especially the parts where the blogger must assume responsibility for content posted by others. Shelley makes a good point about the subterranean communication channels proposed in #3, &#8220;If what I write offends, the person offended can tell me so to my face&#8221; (i.e. out on the open blog). Seth asks, &#8220;who enforces it?&#8221; And Valleywagquips: While we&#8217;re at it, how about an ombudsman, required ethics courses at J-school, and regulation by the FCC? Because that&#8217;s worked so well for America&#8217;s breathtakingly turgid daily newspapers, and bland network news. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Naturally, the blogosphere erupted. Bloggers like being told how to run their blogs almost as much as they enjoy DMCA take-down notices. Andy Beal points out flaws in most of the above commandments, especially the parts where the blogger must assume responsibility for content posted by others. Shelley makes a good point about the subterranean communication channels proposed in #3, &#8220;If what I write offends, the person offended can tell me so to my face&#8221; (i.e. out on the open blog). Seth asks, &#8220;who enforces it?&#8221; And Valleywagquips: While we&#8217;re at it, how about an ombudsman, required ethics courses at J-school, and regulation by the FCC? Because that&#8217;s worked so well for America&#8217;s breathtakingly turgid daily newspapers, and bland network news. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How To Get A Code of Conduct Widely Adopted at The Blog Herald</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24276</link>
		<dc:creator>How To Get A Code of Conduct Widely Adopted at The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And it seems like most people do not approve, do not like, and do not agree with it, and some have even likened its usage to being in a virtual police state. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Webomatica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webomatica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. I have too much other stuff going on to worry about some code of conduct. Blogging is hard enough already and many of us are in the opposite boat - trying to encourage people to comment! All I&#039;m going to do is come up with a comments policy -  adding badges and stuff is just too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I have too much other stuff going on to worry about some code of conduct. Blogging is hard enough already and many of us are in the opposite boat &#8211; trying to encourage people to comment! All I&#8217;m going to do is come up with a comments policy &#8211;  adding badges and stuff is just too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan McCollum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan McCollum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Andy.  I think you&#039;re absolutely right and your comment policy is well stated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Andy.  I think you&#8217;re absolutely right and your comment policy is well stated.</p>
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		<title>By: A Blogger&#8217;s Code of Conduct Won&#8217;t Work &#38; It Won&#8217;t Solve Any Problems</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24265</link>
		<dc:creator>A Blogger&#8217;s Code of Conduct Won&#8217;t Work &#38; It Won&#8217;t Solve Any Problems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the weekend, Tim O&#039;Reily answered that call and published a draft version of what he thinks a code of conduct for bloggers should look like.&#160; Reactions have been mixed.&#160; But most are not positive.&#160; Andy Beal at Marketing Pilgrim says the code of conduct &quot;must die&quot;.&#160; Social Media Club says it&#039;s &quot;DOA&quot;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over the weekend, Tim O&#39;Reily answered that call and published a draft version of what he thinks a code of conduct for bloggers should look like.&nbsp; Reactions have been mixed.&nbsp; But most are not positive.&nbsp; Andy Beal at Marketing Pilgrim says the code of conduct &quot;must die&quot;.&nbsp; Social Media Club says it&#39;s &quot;DOA&quot;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: You are your own code of conduct &#187; mathewingram.com/work</title>
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		<dc:creator>You are your own code of conduct &#187; mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have a lot of respect for Tim O&#8217;Reilly. He seems like a standup guy, and I think he wants what&#8217;s best for everyone after the whole Kathy Sierra incident. But I&#8217;m going to have to agree with Mike Arrington, Dave Taylor, Tony Hung and others (including Jeff Jarvis, Marketing Pilgrim and Ryan Sholin) that Tim&#8217;s proposed &#8220;code of conduct&#8221; for the blogosphere &#8212; which comes complete with either a cheesy sheriff&#8217;s badge or a stick of dynamite icon for the sidebar of your blog &#8212; is a dumb idea. Well-meaning, but dumb. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have a lot of respect for Tim O&#8217;Reilly. He seems like a standup guy, and I think he wants what&#8217;s best for everyone after the whole Kathy Sierra incident. But I&#8217;m going to have to agree with Mike Arrington, Dave Taylor, Tony Hung and others (including Jeff Jarvis, Marketing Pilgrim and Ryan Sholin) that Tim&#8217;s proposed &#8220;code of conduct&#8221; for the blogosphere &#8212; which comes complete with either a cheesy sheriff&#8217;s badge or a stick of dynamite icon for the sidebar of your blog &#8212; is a dumb idea. Well-meaning, but dumb. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it ever gets to the point where my blog actually needs a &quot;code&quot; of anything other than HTML and CSS, my policy will be much simpler:  &quot;Don&#039;t be a jerk.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it ever gets to the point where my blog actually needs a &#8220;code&#8221; of anything other than HTML and CSS, my policy will be much simpler:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t be a jerk.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hazel</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24260</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Codes of Conduct are about behaviour and I have no right to control your behaviour. I have a right to say that I find your behaviour offensive, immoral, anti-social or otherwise not fitting into my &quot;normal&quot;. Society as a whole makes &quot;laws&quot; and if the society that is the blogosphere allows behaviour that I find unacceptable then I&#039;ll leave it. Yes, one person may wish to propose a list of acceptable behaviours but to be workable it needs to be endorsed by others and someone has to &quot;police&quot; it. &quot;Thou shalt not kill&quot; is generally accepted as a good law and duly policed in the real world - but not everyone agrees or there&#039;d be no murders. &quot;Thou shalt not be offensive&quot; is more difficult. I am offended by certain words which seem to be accepted as every day speech in some cultures - I can&#039;t legislate for it but can avoid it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Codes of Conduct are about behaviour and I have no right to control your behaviour. I have a right to say that I find your behaviour offensive, immoral, anti-social or otherwise not fitting into my &#8220;normal&#8221;. Society as a whole makes &#8220;laws&#8221; and if the society that is the blogosphere allows behaviour that I find unacceptable then I&#8217;ll leave it. Yes, one person may wish to propose a list of acceptable behaviours but to be workable it needs to be endorsed by others and someone has to &#8220;police&#8221; it. &#8220;Thou shalt not kill&#8221; is generally accepted as a good law and duly policed in the real world &#8211; but not everyone agrees or there&#8217;d be no murders. &#8220;Thou shalt not be offensive&#8221; is more difficult. I am offended by certain words which seem to be accepted as every day speech in some cultures &#8211; I can&#8217;t legislate for it but can avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s Blogging Code Of Conduct Puts Blogs Back In The Dark Ages &#124; Jim Kukral Online Marketing Consulting 1-888-BLOG-BIZ</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/04/why-oreillys-bloggers-code-of-conduct-must-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-24259</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s Blogging Code Of Conduct Puts Blogs Back In The Dark Ages &#124; Jim Kukral Online Marketing Consulting 1-888-BLOG-BIZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More coverage at Techmeme. Andy Beal. Mathew Ingram. Tony Hung. Best Headline award: Tim O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s Code of Crap. Scobelizer. Dave Taylor. No TagsIf you&#039;re new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed, or via email on the right of this page. Thanks for visiting!Popularity: unranked [?]  var bz_url=&#039;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jimkukral.com%2Foreillys-blogging-code-of-conduct-puts-blogs-back-in-the-dark-ages%2F&#039;; var bz_num_comments=0; var bz_comment_date=&#039;&#039;;         Make money with Jim!: Earn 10% with Chitika&#039;s Referral Program.    Jim Recommends: Affiliate marketing resource: A Practical Guide To Affiliate Marketing.  The current Top Banana is: Click to find out! Date: Apr 9th, 2007 &#183; Comments RSS [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More coverage at Techmeme. Andy Beal. Mathew Ingram. Tony Hung. Best Headline award: Tim O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s Code of Crap. Scobelizer. Dave Taylor. No TagsIf you&#8217;re new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed, or via email on the right of this page. Thanks for visiting!Popularity: unranked [?]  var bz_url=&#8217;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jimkukral.com%2Foreillys-blogging-code-of-con duct-puts-blogs-back-in-the-dark-ages%2F&#8217;; var bz_num_comments=0; var bz_comment_date=&#8221;;         Make money with Jim!: Earn 10% with Chitika&#8217;s Referral Program.    Jim Recommends: Affiliate marketing resource: A Practical Guide To Affiliate Marketing.  The current Top Banana is: Click to find out! Date: Apr 9th, 2007 &middot; Comments RSS [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BigSlick</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigSlick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I read &#039;mind blowing&#039; Andy...off color comments like that are not appreciated...=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I read &#8216;mind blowing&#8217; Andy&#8230;off color comments like that are not appreciated&#8230;=)</p>
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