Comments on: Hawaii Court to Decide if a Blogger is a Journalist http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html Internet Marketing News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:00:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Coach Deb http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-43625 Coach Deb Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:43:17 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-43625 Aloha Andy, TX 4 bringing this to the public eye. Allow me to share some insight, having known Malia and written for her "news (non) paper" online since she started it - many moons ago when I 1st moved here. Malia Zimmerman IS a journalist. Zimmerman is a real-live-legitimate journalist. This whole case is really much LESS about whether Malia Zimmerman is a "real" journalist - and MORE about a long-standing attack on Malia Zimmerman herself by the "powers that be" here in Hawaii. You see, Malia has always marched to a different drummer. She's had her life threatened, an ex-Mayor try to defame her - on government letterhead and time, among a slew of other things this fearless woman has had to endure - simply because she offers a "different" opinion than the majority of the mainstream media, political officials and crusaders who live here in Hawaii. She just happened to turn adversity into an opportunity with the opening of her online journal - which is much more environmentally friendly than the newspapers still in existence that environmental activists don't seem to have an issue about... aye - but that's off-point. At any rate - she started her work AS a journalist, and happens to use online media as her channel to get the word out, share news, and share business information in a cost-effective, environmentally friendly fashion. Well - looks like I better take a trip to Small Business Hawaii for a sunrise breakfast to get more of THIS scoop! Aloha Andy,

TX 4 bringing this to the public eye.

Allow me to share some insight, having known Malia and written for her “news (non) paper” online since she started it – many moons ago when I 1st moved here.

Malia Zimmerman IS a journalist.
Zimmerman is a real-live-legitimate journalist.

This whole case is really much LESS about whether Malia Zimmerman is a “real” journalist – and MORE about a long-standing attack on Malia Zimmerman herself by the “powers that be” here in Hawaii.

You see, Malia has always marched to a different drummer. She’s had her life threatened, an ex-Mayor try to defame her – on government letterhead and time, among a slew of other things this fearless woman has had to endure – simply because she offers a “different” opinion than the majority of the mainstream media, political officials and crusaders who live here in Hawaii.

She just happened to turn adversity into an opportunity with the opening of her online journal – which is much more environmentally friendly than the newspapers still in existence that environmental activists don’t seem to have an issue about… aye – but that’s off-point.

At any rate – she started her work AS a journalist, and happens to use online media as her channel to get the word out, share news, and share business information in a cost-effective, environmentally friendly fashion.

Well – looks like I better take a trip to Small Business Hawaii for a sunrise breakfast to get more of THIS scoop!

]]> By: Jen http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-38509 Jen Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:12:48 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-38509 Aloha!! I blog basically to share ideas, and post my 2-cents, if there are any topics that I put out there. But I definitely wouldn't consider myself a legitimate journalist. If a friend was to share a juicy secret story to GOSSIP about, and I blogged about it (of course I would change the names to keep those innocent), but does this mean I am now a legitimate journalist? OR...maybe my "friend" needs to be someone in the spotlight of the media in order for me to be considered that....hmmmmmmm Aloha!!

I blog basically to share ideas, and post my 2-cents, if there are any topics that I put out there. But I definitely wouldn’t consider myself a legitimate journalist. If a friend was to share a juicy secret story to GOSSIP about, and I blogged about it (of course I would change the names to keep those innocent), but does this mean I am now a legitimate journalist? OR…maybe my “friend” needs to be someone in the spotlight of the media in order for me to be considered that….hmmmmmmm

]]> By: Ton Zijlstra http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-28885 Ton Zijlstra Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:37:19 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-28885 Not sure if this is a tough question at all. A blog is a tool more than a medium I'd say. The medium is still a website. Just because a journalist often uses a notepad and a pencil, that doesn't mean that everybody who owns a notepad and a pencil can claim (s)he's a journalist. Not everyone with a hammer is a carpenter either. A blog is a publishing tool. I'd say the behaviour and role of the journalist in question is the deciding factor, not the channel/tools/medium a journalist chooses for spreading their writings. Not sure if this is a tough question at all.
A blog is a tool more than a medium I’d say. The medium is still a website.
Just because a journalist often uses a notepad and a pencil, that doesn’t mean that everybody who owns a notepad and a pencil can claim (s)he’s a journalist. Not everyone with a hammer is a carpenter either.
A blog is a publishing tool.
I’d say the behaviour and role of the journalist in question is the deciding factor, not the channel/tools/medium a journalist chooses for spreading their writings.

]]> By: The Line Between Bloggers and A Journalist » Blog Network Watch http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26615 The Line Between Bloggers and A Journalist » Blog Network Watch Wed, 23 May 2007 15:00:23 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26615 [...] What criteria do you think should make a blogger a journalist? – Hawaii Court to Decide if a Blogger is a Journalist [...] [...] What criteria do you think should make a blogger a journalist? – Hawaii Court to Decide if a Blogger is a Journalist [...]

]]> By: One By One Media » New media, old media, newspapers and the future--Will it matter in five years? http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26592 One By One Media » New media, old media, newspapers and the future--Will it matter in five years? Wed, 23 May 2007 04:17:27 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26592 [...] Then we come to the whole debate of blogger as journalist (which, btw is heading to court in Hawaii very soon). Sounds like Renee was treated to a pretty amazing panel recently. Scoble, Dan Gillmor, Katie Hafner and Andrew Keen. Yeah a verbal grudge match was almost guaranteed. Although Renee said no blood was spilled or duels challenged, I think the discussion, however civil, sounded interesting. Personally, I haven’t heard Dan Gillmor enough yet. I hope I get to hear him speak more. By all accounts, I think Dan defended the blogger honour rather well. While Andrew Keen laments that since everyone can publish, how do we know what is good. Katie, and others, spoke of the binary relationship many people have with “the news”: Katie references a trip she took to Louisiana where people she interviewed lumped all media together…..whatever gets printed is all evil, all fabulous, completely true or not true at all. That has been my experience as well, a far cry from the beliefs in Silicon Valley and higher education centers, another point I feel is left out of many of these conversations. Keen and Gillmor agreed on one thing, as did the rest of the panel and it appeared, the audience as well: the need for a whole new kind of media literacy. “We have to do it,” asserts Gillmor. “We need to learn how to use a BS meter in a completely new way.” Source: Down The Avenue [...] [...] Then we come to the whole debate of blogger as journalist (which, btw is heading to court in Hawaii very soon). Sounds like Renee was treated to a pretty amazing panel recently. Scoble, Dan Gillmor, Katie Hafner and Andrew Keen. Yeah a verbal grudge match was almost guaranteed. Although Renee said no blood was spilled or duels challenged, I think the discussion, however civil, sounded interesting. Personally, I haven’t heard Dan Gillmor enough yet. I hope I get to hear him speak more. By all accounts, I think Dan defended the blogger honour rather well. While Andrew Keen laments that since everyone can publish, how do we know what is good. Katie, and others, spoke of the binary relationship many people have with “the news”: Katie references a trip she took to Louisiana where people she interviewed lumped all media together…..whatever gets printed is all evil, all fabulous, completely true or not true at all. That has been my experience as well, a far cry from the beliefs in Silicon Valley and higher education centers, another point I feel is left out of many of these conversations. Keen and Gillmor agreed on one thing, as did the rest of the panel and it appeared, the audience as well: the need for a whole new kind of media literacy. “We have to do it,” asserts Gillmor. “We need to learn how to use a BS meter in a completely new way.” Source: Down The Avenue [...]

]]> By: The Mediasphere Radio show » New media, old media, newspapers and the future--Will it matter in five years? http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26525 The Mediasphere Radio show » New media, old media, newspapers and the future--Will it matter in five years? Tue, 22 May 2007 08:37:59 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26525 [...] Then we come to the whole debate of blogger as journalist (which, btw is heading to court in Hawaii very soon). Sounds like Renee was treated to a pretty amazing panel recently. Scoble, Dan Gillmor, Katie Hafner and Andrew Keen. Yeah a verbal grudge match was almost guaranteed. Although Renee said no blood was spilled or duels challenged, I think the discussion, however civil, sounded interesting. Personally, I haven’t heard Dan Gillmor enough yet. I hope I get to hear him speak more. By all accounts, I think Dan defended the blogger honour rather well. While Andrew Keen laments that since everyone can publish, how do we know what is good. Katie, and others, spoke of the binary relationship many people have with “the news”: [...] [...] Then we come to the whole debate of blogger as journalist (which, btw is heading to court in Hawaii very soon). Sounds like Renee was treated to a pretty amazing panel recently. Scoble, Dan Gillmor, Katie Hafner and Andrew Keen. Yeah a verbal grudge match was almost guaranteed. Although Renee said no blood was spilled or duels challenged, I think the discussion, however civil, sounded interesting. Personally, I haven’t heard Dan Gillmor enough yet. I hope I get to hear him speak more. By all accounts, I think Dan defended the blogger honour rather well. While Andrew Keen laments that since everyone can publish, how do we know what is good. Katie, and others, spoke of the binary relationship many people have with “the news”: [...]

]]> By: Erik http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26515 Erik Mon, 21 May 2007 23:10:25 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26515 SEO- I would have to agree, any case that specifies blogger, blah blah blah, is or isn't a journalist, would have some precedence in future cases (in my very limited opinion). I'll be interesting to see if the final ruling makes mention of this person as a blogger and then what defines a blogger. (Is it anyone who reports in a chronological order.) E SEO- I would have to agree, any case that specifies blogger, blah blah blah, is or isn’t a journalist, would have some precedence in future cases (in my very limited opinion).

I’ll be interesting to see if the final ruling makes mention of this person as a blogger and then what defines a blogger. (Is it anyone who reports in a chronological order.)

E

]]> By: SEOrefugee http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26509 SEOrefugee Mon, 21 May 2007 22:17:18 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26509 @ Riccardo, while it might not matter to the outcome of this specific case, setting the precedence one way or the other on whether this blogger qualifies as a journalist makes this an important case. At least, that's the way I interpret it. I don't have my law degree though and have been wrong before... @ Riccardo, while it might not matter to the outcome of this specific case, setting the precedence one way or the other on whether this blogger qualifies as a journalist makes this an important case. At least, that’s the way I interpret it. I don’t have my law degree though and have been wrong before…

]]> By: Riccardo Campaci http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26505 Riccardo Campaci Mon, 21 May 2007 21:59:36 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26505 Well... but it does not matter whether the judge decide that Zimmerman is a journalist or not: she will have to reveal informations about her sources, because there is not a law shield for journalist in Hawaii... Well… but it does not matter whether the judge decide that Zimmerman is a journalist or not: she will have to reveal informations about her sources, because there is not a law shield for journalist in Hawaii…

]]> By: Andy Beal http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26500 Andy Beal Mon, 21 May 2007 20:44:35 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26500 This seems to have the list: http://www.poynterextra.org/shieldlaw/index.htm This seems to have the list: http://www.poynterextra.org/shieldlaw/index.htm

]]> By: Mike http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26497 Mike Mon, 21 May 2007 18:14:05 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26497 can you tell us which are the other 18 states ? can you tell us which are the other 18 states ?

]]> By: Andy Beal http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26494 Andy Beal Mon, 21 May 2007 16:37:02 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26494 @Erik - Mahalo for the Hawaiian input. :-) @Erik – Mahalo for the Hawaiian input. :-)

]]> By: Erik http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26493 Erik Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:19 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26493 Aloha! Great to see Hawaii in the Blogging Spotlight, even if it is filled with controversy. As for the subject matter, it definitely is a tough question. When is a blog a blog and when is a blogger really just using a blogging software to more easily manage a database of information. I think they have to drop the fact that it is a blog and look the collection of previous works and how the writer presents him/herself. Any newspaper can be considered a blog, because a blog IMO, is just an easy way to categorize information and chronologically present that information. If they rule no for this lady, then would they have to look at the Honolulu Advertiser Online, the Star Bulletin Online, Mid-Week, etc, or are those newspapers truly employing journalists because they have a different medium than online to get their word out. Does that mean that "bloggers" have to circulate mini-newspapers, and if so, how many have to be in your circulation to be considered a journalist. The list could go on and on, but you get the point. Oh, and I'd say you guys here are more journalist than hobby newsies. Aloha, Erik Aloha! Great to see Hawaii in the Blogging Spotlight, even if it is filled with controversy.

As for the subject matter, it definitely is a tough question. When is a blog a blog and when is a blogger really just using a blogging software to more easily manage a database of information.

I think they have to drop the fact that it is a blog and look the collection of previous works and how the writer presents him/herself. Any newspaper can be considered a blog, because a blog IMO, is just an easy way to categorize information and chronologically present that information. If they rule no for this lady, then would they have to look at the Honolulu Advertiser Online, the Star Bulletin Online, Mid-Week, etc, or are those newspapers truly employing journalists because they have a different medium than online to get their word out. Does that mean that “bloggers” have to circulate mini-newspapers, and if so, how many have to be in your circulation to be considered a journalist.

The list could go on and on, but you get the point. Oh, and I’d say you guys here are more journalist than hobby newsies.

Aloha,
Erik

]]> By: SEOrefugee http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html/comment-page-1#comment-26489 SEOrefugee Mon, 21 May 2007 15:38:02 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/05/hawaii-court-to-decide-if-a-blogger-is-a-journalist.html#comment-26489 That's a really tough question. I think the lines between bloggers and journalist are quickly blurring beyond recognition. I mean think of all the reporters out there that have blogs now. ESPN, CNet, and on and on. If those bloggers are considered reporters (and I think they should be) it them becomes a matter of what site you blog for right? However, I think our legal system is far too slow to keep up with which sites should be considered legitimate enough to be considered journalistic. So... it's a tough spot to be in. ;) That’s a really tough question. I think the lines between bloggers and journalist are quickly blurring beyond recognition. I mean think of all the reporters out there that have blogs now. ESPN, CNet, and on and on. If those bloggers are considered reporters (and I think they should be) it them becomes a matter of what site you blog for right? However, I think our legal system is far too slow to keep up with which sites should be considered legitimate enough to be considered journalistic. So… it’s a tough spot to be in. ;)

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