SMM for me is a more general catchment, whereas SMO you have a more specific defined goal and are refining the process.

I recently experienced some quite vicious and organised “thumbing down” of an article which included a mixed bag of things about StumbleUpon.

I think one of the core reasons was because I was talking about some great heatmap software that is free, and how that could be used to monitor traffic on your site to improve user experience, and thus get better results.

I have complained to StumbleUpon, and received no response as yet. Looks like I am going to have to blog about it.

The kind of sites StumbleUpon users like with their soft porn, and other cool photos, or nice CSS tricks, or new internet apps don’t need paid advertising.
If SU users are going to thumb down all kind of paid stumbles, it is not going to do advertising sales any good at all.

SU have got these tags for spammer, and spam, and it enables abuse.

I am a strong supporter of MBL, but tagging spam is no solution when all you need is a clickable link that fires up a contact form to enter a complaint, that then feeds into a decent support desk app.

I tell you what, if you update your MBL post, I’ll remove all of the content of this post and simply say “Yay, Robyn rocks and she’s changed he post to clarify that SMO doesn’t equate to spam”. Fair deal?

Yes, I think a clarification is needed from MBL especially in light of them using a term that is associated with a preexisting legitimate industry in a negative light. I’m sure many people who are introduced to that tag via MBL may not have previously heard of the term Social Media Optimizers and now will only associate SPAM with the term as this is how they were introduced to the term.

You should also keep in mind that you are talking to someone who hates the term “optimizer” and would love to see it die – lol. Even when SMO got co-opted as the term du jour I preferred Social Media Marketing.

As I said I like it if the tag were SchMOeS for Social Media Optimization Spammers – lol.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Robyn should update her MBL post to clarify what she meant? Or do you think it’s ok to leave many people associating spam with SMO?

@Robyn – I have no problem with using the term “schmoe” as a tag for spam, but why can’t you just go back to the MBL post and remove the suggestion that schmoe means social media optimizer?

If you did that, this would all die down – and would never have happened in the first place.

Please don’t be offended. I don’t think it’s a personal vendetta (you have to say that like the Sideshow Bob’s son on that Simpsons episode for the full effect) but…

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything… I was just relaying some things I heard today (it would be much appreciated if you all hiding out there in virtual land who sent me emails and or IMs on this topic today would speak up – lol) I actually wrote that trying to reach out to you to be helpful to you. Sorry if you took offense.

Have a good weekend.

While I could feel offended that you’re trying to persuade readers that this is nothing but a personal vendetta, I’ll just wave that off.

MBL screwed up and I’m not the only one that thinks so:

Danny Sullivan – http://searchengineland.com/070525-111133.php
Andrew Girdwood – http://blog.arhg.net/2007/05/does-mybloglog-dislike-smo.html
Cameron Olthuis – http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2007/05/mybloglog-people-who-live-in-gla ss-houses/

I have nothing against Robyn – she’s just the messenger – and I also still have respect for Eric and Scott – but MBL didn’t think, when it decided to label all SMO’s as spammers.

Why is it so hard for MBL to go back to their original post and say, “here’s what we mean to say, but didn’t”?

I answered this on your previous MyBlogLog post.

No offense intended. This seems a little much to me. I mean, really Andy, it seems to me that you are still grinding that axe because you were called a spammer by JZ so you are taking it out on anyone associated with MBL. I can’t be the only one reading these posts thinking, “Ok, we get it Andy, you don’t like MBL” LOL.

I really respect you Andy (and felt like a little school girl when I met you at SESSJ last year – mmm accents – lol), which is why I’m just saying what a few emails and IMs to me have said about this post… only I have the Balls (I borrowed them) to actually say it here.

Maybe you should also consider how these posts reflect on you. I wouldn’t want anyone to start associating you with things that are not deserving of the reputation that you’ve built.