Thursday, July 5th, 2007 by Jordan McCollum
Moderator: Danny Sullivan, Editor-in-Chief, Search Engine Land
Speakers:
Danny (on the premise of this session): Because there were so many people submitting their sites to Yahoo, Yahoo set up the Yahoo priority queue. When you submitted a site to Yahoo, if you put (yahoo) after your email address, you’d get bumped up the queue. It was a hugely kept secret; it wasn’t put on forums. It was passed along by word of mouth based on trust.
On your honor: people, don’t blog this. (We’ll see if there’s honor among SEOs) and search engine reps: keep it under wraps for one month from now, Greenwich Mean Time.
If anybody breaks the embargo, they’re dead to us. No tricks! I mean it!
Matt Cutts (forced to share a story so he won’t be kicked out of the room): You realize it’s cloth back there, so I can stand outside of the room and still hear, right?
Alright, I’ll tell you about my favorite spammer of ’06. How would you like to get 7000 domains? For free? And get page rank to them from eTrade? Pretty good deal, eh?
This doesn’t work on Google anymore (though I couldn’t say whether it works on other search engines). When you buy a domain, you own it for a year. Usually you get hosting, or park the domain. What if you don’t? You set name server to “lamedelegation.org†Millions of domains are marked this way. But some are marked “lame-delegation.org,†with a hyphen, including some registered by eTrade.
This spammer found the “dangling nameserver tag†and registered lame-delegation.org and others.
Danny: Is that good enough? (Audience responds). Okay, who first?
Stephan Spencer
Shari Thurow: Usability perspective
Mikke deMib Svendsen
He considered telling us:
Instead, he’s speaking on:
Unleash the wonders of computer-based writing
Content creation: one of the big challenges of SEO is to create original “quality content†for all the keywords I want to rank for. Why not follow search engines’ example and use computers to do what we’re too lazy to do.
Remember Epic 2014 flash movie—they predict Google will take Google News to write original content based on their findings.
A simple system: randomizing words & phrases; word replacements—tricky
Semi-advanced: Markov chains (what we discuss today)
Very advanced: original content writing
What about quality? It’s there.
Is the quality of computer-based writing good enough now? It’s not much worse than the average stuff on the web.
Uses of computer generated writing
Cloaking sites: Great keyword-rich unique “correct†filler texts. Scales well.
Splogs: Honestly, if you tweak your systems well the text that comes out doesn’t look much more silly than average blogs.
Data feeds/affiliate. Advanced re-writing of standard product descriptions.
Foreign language sites: Get keywords and let the machines do the rest
Markov Chains
I am not a programmer—and even I can understand this!
This is based on a sequence of random values whose probabilities at a time interval depends upon the value of the number at the previous time.
It scans through the text & creates a huge frequency table. For example, “up the†appears 6 times in a document. “Up the†is followed by “stairs†twice and by “ladder†four times. Based on these frequencies, it can construct natural-sounding sentences.
Add additional processing to retrigger the program to write longer text to get proper keyword focus. Adjust the keyword density. Blend with other methods (scraping). Create keyword based cross-linking. This is good for freshness.
Tips:
Funny: there was a Markov chain conspiracy page: they ran conspiracy theories through Markov chain (thinks it was on SEOBlackHat).
(Mike Grehan notes that PageRank is based on a Markov chain.)
Bruce Clay
Internal linking—silo structure:
Training: the require their clients to attend an SEOToolSet training because [a lovely little chiasmus]:
Universal/intergalactic—what’s next
Increase traffic—experiment: meta refresh tag (add a meta refresh tag to your website directing it to BruceClay.com)
Mike Grehan
My current thoughts: think different.
These days, sometimes, you just have to be #1. Conventional wisdom has always said you have to write compelling title tags. When universal search happens, title tags can’t compete with pictures! He gives the example of a “Shakira†SERP: who’s going to click on a boring text link when there’s a sexy picture there. Another example: the American Airlines SERP: open the plus box in the results, and they’re the only result above the fold.
We have to look heuristics, video: how it’s all pulled together. Previously, we were just thinking about text. When you talk about content, the first thing the we talk about is copy. But there’s so much more.
For the future, don’t just think about text. Think different.
Links are very important, but in the future they won’t be the most important thing. The quality of the link will be important. Look offline—a friend was starting a new restaurant in London. They found three leading food critics in London and got them to eat at the restaurant. Even if the food sucked, they’d still get the link (and press).
Jill Whalen
Use the alt attribute of your logo:
Dynamic titles & descriptions
For titles: use last 3 phrases from bread crumbs, in reverse order + company name:
The breadcrumb Travel : Cruises : Cruise Lines : Royal Caribbean : Costa Rica 7 day cruise would become:
<title>Costa Rica 7 day cruise—Royal Caribbean—Cruise Lines—Company Name</title> . This way, your title tags are keyword rich and describe the page well.
Dynamic descriptions: create a generic description at each category & page level, and substitute the keyword phrase appropriately.
Cruise line level: [company name] offers tons of cruises and info from the [cruise line name] cruise line to suit your budget and destination requirements. Lear. more about [cruise line name] now.
Ship level: [Company name] offers [cruises] and info on [cruise line name]’s [ship name] ship. Learn why [ship name] may be the perfect cruise ship for your cruising vacation.
And of course, Trapezoidal Linking Matriflux
Jennifer Slegg: linking
Internet link love—as I add new content, I link to it from the home page. It gets spidered more quickly.
Each content page should link to 2-3 other related articles. Don’t buy links on pages multiple clicks or directories deep—they should be 2-3 clicks from home page.
Anchor text: adjacent keywords can influence the anchor text, so mix & match. Avoid the Googlebomb filter by making sure the phrase is on the page
Buying links: vary your keyword phrases using 10-20 variations. Distribute the anchor texts unevenly (10 of one, 5 of another, 2 of another and 1 and 1 and 1, etc.) to make it look more natural.
Always check the backlinks of the page it’ll be appearing on.
Avoid comment placement (footer, sidebar).
Buy a link embedded within the text of an article.
Avoid commonly known link networks—if it’s on Matt’s radar, steer clear.
External link love
Link to authority sites in your niche., even if they’re not linking back. You can use nofollow if you don’t want to give your vote of confidence. There’s more value in one way links.
Use target _blank attribute to keep people from leaving your site right away.
Linkbaiting
Caution: all linkbait can backfire and spectacularly so.
Todd Friesen
Javascript multivariate testing
Breadcrumbs in title tags: where you should put your brand in that title tag is based on brand strength. Put keywords in front with less recognized brands; put big brands at the beginning of title tags.
Buying links works. Think of it as media placement, if that helps. If you’re a link network and you sell links, Google knows about you—LinkExperts.com.
For a lot of people, we’re dealing with brands, it doesn’t apply to our world (like thigns in Mikkel’s presentation). I recommend Bazaarvoice—they provide product reviews that are unique to every site. They’re moving into education, finance, and law. It’s great, real content.
We had one site where we their footer links were just an echo of their top navigation and doing nothing for them. We put the keywords in their footer links. In about 3 days, we saw a boost across the board on all the keywords in the footer.
Moving sites from domains or structures is scary! Typically, if you don’t do it right, you can wipe yourself out.
Got your sitemap XML from old site. Get new site ready to go. Build out new XML sitemap. Map out 301 redirection from all old pages to new pages. Then launch new site. Submit old sitemap in Webmaster Central and SiteExplorer. They see it and say, “Let’s go check it out.†They’ll work through your old sitemap, prompting search engines to look at old your URLs—“Hey, they’re redirected!†Then put in your new sitemap. We did this for one client and successfully moved them from their old URL structure to a new URL structure to an all-flash site.
Greg Boser
301s—getting creative with your redirection
To me, 301 redirection doesn’t get utilized nearly as much as it should. We use it like a robots.txt on steroids. We use conditional redirects for search engines for duplicate content—the same content in two locations for good user experience.
In the Dave Pasternack contest, we conspired together come in 8 days before the end of the conference to 301 pages to a central page together. The backlinks were 301’d instantly. You can mask where your juice is coming from for 30-60-90 days. You can also use this for site consolidation: purchase sites that rank for your keyword lower in the SERPs—now you own all their link juice.
There is a downside, though. Google “Greg Boser†and you’ll find a Googlebomb—Dave Pasternack is in the top 10 for “Greg Boser.†I 301d my Dave Pasternack page to a New York Times article—now its in top 10. Your new destination site can rank for your old anchor text.
If you own a couple smaller sites, you could be more aggressive with your links through redirection. If it doesn’t work, you can turn it off.
Sponsored WP template: put a different URL redirecting to your main site there in case it backfires. If it does, turn it off (or direct it to a competitor).
(Todd follow up: The sitemaps thing—I wrote that up for an article to be in OMMA magazine/MediaPost.)
Danny Sullivan

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Andy Beal Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 9:23 am
Wow - I think you got every word.
SEO Refugee Blog Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 10:57 am
Fantastic write up Jordan. I couldn’t bookmark it fast enough.
Andy, I think Jordan should go to any and all conferences possible. Her mad write up skillz demand it.
chriszz Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 11:10 am
Great post, however I feel I should point out that your feed is broken in my Google reader. Apostrophes appear as ???. For example; “On your honor: people, don???t blog this. (We???ll see if there???s honor among SEOs)”. Just thought you should know!
Andy Beal Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 11:31 am
@Chriszz - sorry about that, it sometimes happens when you cut and paste from a word doc.
@Skitzzo - I agree! Maybe I can get her to cover SES.
Fitness guy Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Outstanding!!!!
Jordan McCollum Says:
July 5th, 2007 at 11:55 am
Could the ??? problem be the charset? It’s been like that for a few days.
If you want me to do SES, Andy, talk to Ryan. If I can get him to go; I’ll be there.
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July 6th, 2007 at 3:29 am
Good stuff, but isn’t Siloing the same thing as themed architecture. Building out websites in a way that is optimal for the SE bots and users alike?
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July 6th, 2007 at 10:54 am
@Jaan - you’re right. I actually don’t like the term “siloing” - it sounds like you’re holding back. I prefer to say “theming”.
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