Comments on: Associated Press Suing to Prevent You From Linking to Them http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html Internet Marketing News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:43:12 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Terry Howard http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34362 Terry Howard Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:16:07 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34362 I'd have to say everything we've seen from traditional media on the whole lends pretty strongly to them mostly not having a single clue about the internet. They sit on massive repositories of content that expands on a daily basis. If they can't monetize that to a magnitude of at least a hundred fold of what they have traditionally done in print over the years, then they have no idea what they are doing online. There is absolutely no reason why the internet should be putting these guys out of business, in fact, it should have propelled them to heights of profitability that they could have never imagined. Not only did they miss the boat, but they continue to miss the boat? You've got professional blogs out there, starting back with the Drudge Report, scooping reporters for going on a decade now, and they've always turned a profit. They understand nothing. As to the world's interests being served by wire services going under... You mean services like Reuters who have repeatedly been caught running flat out fabricated stories, made up sources and PhotoShopped pictures? Yeah, big loss there. I’d have to say everything we’ve seen from traditional media on the whole lends pretty strongly to them mostly not having a single clue about the internet. They sit on massive repositories of content that expands on a daily basis. If they can’t monetize that to a magnitude of at least a hundred fold of what they have traditionally done in print over the years, then they have no idea what they are doing online. There is absolutely no reason why the internet should be putting these guys out of business, in fact, it should have propelled them to heights of profitability that they could have never imagined. Not only did they miss the boat, but they continue to miss the boat? You’ve got professional blogs out there, starting back with the Drudge Report, scooping reporters for going on a decade now, and they’ve always turned a profit. They understand nothing.

As to the world’s interests being served by wire services going under… You mean services like Reuters who have repeatedly been caught running flat out fabricated stories, made up sources and PhotoShopped pictures? Yeah, big loss there.

]]> By: Sean DALY http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34351 Sean DALY Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:50:18 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34351 Well, in fact you *can* link to Google News... because Google has *paid* AP, AFP, the NYT, the UK newspaper association, others? (Terms are always confidential.) Google has even started a blog to better communicate with publishers and no longer provides links to wire-service stories on customer sites, only the wire-service stories themselves. Some speculate that the turning point which has encouraged trad media and wire services was the Copiepresse victory in court over Google in Belgium. Google made a much-hyped "partnership" deal with AP last year, but the only concrete result has been that AP is not suing them. They settled with AFP for an undisclosed amount. Trad media understands the Internet very well, they just mind going out of business without a fight. And I think it's a valid question whether the world's interests are served by having wire services go under. Well, in fact you *can* link to Google News… because Google has *paid* AP, AFP, the NYT, the UK newspaper association, others? (Terms are always confidential.) Google has even started a blog to better communicate with publishers and no longer provides links to wire-service stories on customer sites, only the wire-service stories themselves. Some speculate that the turning point which has encouraged trad media and wire services was the Copiepresse victory in court over Google in Belgium. Google made a much-hyped “partnership” deal with AP last year, but the only concrete result has been that AP is not suing them. They settled with AFP for an undisclosed amount. Trad media understands the Internet very well, they just mind going out of business without a fight. And I think it’s a valid question whether the world’s interests are served by having wire services go under.

]]> By: Terry Howard http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34308 Terry Howard Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:17:20 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34308 It is the stupidest thing but don't give our courts so much credit. Many judges are disturbingly ignorant of simple online concepts, yet are allowed to rule on issues involving them. It is the stupidest thing but don’t give our courts so much credit. Many judges are disturbingly ignorant of simple online concepts, yet are allowed to rule on issues involving them.

]]> By: Sasha T http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34299 Sasha T Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:58:34 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34299 This just has to be the number one stupid thing on the web I ever heard of. I can't link to somebody? No court is going to agree with that, I mean it is my business what do I do with my own blog isn't it? S. This just has to be the number one stupid thing on the web I ever heard of. I can’t link to somebody? No court is going to agree with that, I mean it is my business what do I do with my own blog isn’t it?

S.

]]> By: Terry Howard http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34232 Terry Howard Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:38:17 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34232 And you know the same ign'ant stuffed shirt that fumed in a meeting about people "stealing" their content that started this whole thing is going to be throwing a fit the month after this goes into effect about why their traffic and ad revenue is down. Maybe because you shut off your #1 source of traffic you big dope. And you know the same ign’ant stuffed shirt that fumed in a meeting about people “stealing” their content that started this whole thing is going to be throwing a fit the month after this goes into effect about why their traffic and ad revenue is down. Maybe because you shut off your #1 source of traffic you big dope.

]]> By: Bushido http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34133 Bushido Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:26:30 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34133 Topsy turvy world. Topsy turvy world.

]]> By: PokeSteve http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34114 PokeSteve Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:08:39 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34114 I was reading about this and the issue is not the linking the issue is that they have a paid area of their site with full copies of the AP stories and they are not paying AP to host the full stories. I was reading about this and the issue is not the linking the issue is that they have a paid area of their site with full copies of the AP stories and they are not paying AP to host the full stories.

]]> By: Andy Beal http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34060 Andy Beal Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:00:25 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34060 @Adam - no reason. :-) Just the way it's designed. @Adam – no reason. :-) Just the way it’s designed.

]]> By: Adam Taylor http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34058 Adam Taylor Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:42:58 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34058 oh dear oh dear. someone's in the darkages. their own loss though. p.s any reason the font for the comment is different to the name/email etc? It's a bit odd... oh dear oh dear. someone’s in the darkages.

their own loss though.

p.s any reason the font for the comment is different to the name/email etc? It’s a bit odd…

]]> By: Steven Bradley http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34056 Steven Bradley Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:20:48 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34056 Now I can understand them being upset if you're grabbing the entire article and republishing it, but are they really upset because someone grabs a snippet and links back to AP for the full story? Dumbass only scratches the surface Andy. I guess we'll all have to start linking to Reuters instead. I wonder which service will have more people subscribing to their content in a few years. Now I can understand them being upset if you’re grabbing the entire article and republishing it, but are they really upset because someone grabs a snippet and links back to AP for the full story?

Dumbass only scratches the surface Andy.

I guess we’ll all have to start linking to Reuters instead. I wonder which service will have more people subscribing to their content in a few years.

]]> By: Andy Beal http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34055 Andy Beal Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:15:52 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34055 @Rich - done @Rich – done

]]> By: Rich Ord http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34047 Rich Ord Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:27:57 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34047 Andy, An AP exec noticed an error somewhere in my story. Moreover is owned by VeriSign, not Viacom. Please change in your post. Thanks, Rich Ord CEO, iEntry, Inc. Andy,

An AP exec noticed an error somewhere in my story. Moreover is owned by VeriSign, not Viacom. Please change in your post.

Thanks,
Rich Ord
CEO, iEntry, Inc.

]]> By: ScottUA http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34045 ScottUA Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:15:35 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34045 Wow, that's pretty insane. So if you link to an AP website, you could face legal action. I wonder if they would go after personal blogs if they link to a story? Wow, that’s pretty insane. So if you link to an AP website, you could face legal action. I wonder if they would go after personal blogs if they link to a story?

]]> By: Andy Beal http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34035 Andy Beal Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:40:52 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34035 @Scott - I would imagine any ruling would apply only to news aggregators that use an automated tool to pick up headlines and links - at least that is my hope. @Scott – I would imagine any ruling would apply only to news aggregators that use an automated tool to pick up headlines and links – at least that is my hope.

]]> By: Scott http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34034 Scott Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:36:38 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34034 Forget about if it is unprofessional or not, if that did pass how in the world would they ever enforce that. You would have every moron in the world linking to them just because they said you can't? I don't know maybe I am looking at this wrong but I think it would be impossible to enforce. Not linking to them because they don't keep their permalinks up or the politics of the AP is a different issue :) Forget about if it is unprofessional or not, if that did pass how in the world would they ever enforce that. You would have every moron in the world linking to them just because they said you can’t?

I don’t know maybe I am looking at this wrong but I think it would be impossible to enforce.

Not linking to them because they don’t keep their permalinks up or the politics of the AP is a different issue :)

]]> By: Andy Beal http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34022 Andy Beal Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:56:36 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34022 @Modern Worker - huh? What's "unprofessional" about it. @Modern Worker – huh? What’s “unprofessional” about it.

]]> By: Modern Worker http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34021 Modern Worker Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:52:33 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34021 Although I agree with you Andy, your approach is highly unprofessional here. Although I agree with you Andy, your approach is highly unprofessional here.

]]> By: John Hunter http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-34020 John Hunter Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:50:15 +0000 http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007/10/associated-press-suing-to-prevent-you-from-linking-to-them.html#comment-34020 I already don't link to them. I also don't link to stories posted on sites that know that every web page must live forever otherwise but kill their pages authored by AP after a short time (washingtonpost.com and many other sites do this - keep their content up permanently but I am sure due to outdated AP thinking have to kill those pages after a short time). They clearly don't understand even the basics of the web. I already don’t link to them. I also don’t link to stories posted on sites that know that every web page must live forever otherwise but kill their pages authored by AP after a short time (washingtonpost.com and many other sites do this – keep their content up permanently but I am sure due to outdated AP thinking have to kill those pages after a short time). They clearly don’t understand even the basics of the web.

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