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		<title>By: NO Spies</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO Spies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal wiretaps

That is what this amounts to. I am leaving BT as soon as this goes live</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal wiretaps</p>
<p>That is what this amounts to. I am leaving BT as soon as this goes live</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Porcelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Porcelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been blogging about Phorm and ISP based advertising. As far as I can tell it really doesn&#039;t work....

ISP Targeting Ad Company Phorm Gets Targeted
March 23, 2008 – 1:37 pm

Phorm, which is an ISP targeted advertising company in the UK, is looking to expand into the US market. The New York Times last week ran an update on the company’s efforts in the US market stating “[Phorm] is trying to negotiate deals with telephone and cable companies, like AT&amp;T, Verizon and Comcast, that provide broadband service to millions”.

In the UK, Phorm already has partnerships with three major Internet service providers covering some 70% of British households. In the US, the challenges will be far greater. Companies like AT&amp;T and Comcast are not going to be so eager to open up their networks for several reasons. First the technology is in its infancy and is largely unproven. Secondly, it’s controversial and after Facebook’s disastrous efforts with Beacon, companies will think twice before targeting users’ personal, although arguably in Phorm’s case none identifiable information. Lastly, companies like AT&amp;T and Verizon simply don’t need the revenue. The risks outweigh the potential (unproven) gains.

Regardless of the current US conditions related to ISP targeting there are organizations out there that have employed and are actively using this technology. Phorm argues that it has technology that protects web users privacy by associating a random number with a user’s Web surfing usage. This random number acts as the identifier through a cookie placed on a person’s computer and saves the users number to be placed into an advertising category to target ads towards. Advertising can then target ads based on the individual’s usage and Phorm categorization.

These are sold as “micro-targeted” or “ISP-Based Behavioral Targeting” with the promise of higher CPM’s for publishers and higher CTR’s for advertisers. These “highly relevant” ads have proved themselves ineffective. Advertisers can expect to pay anywhere from $4.00 - $12.00 for this “cutting edge” technology which delivers no greater CTR’s and only higher CPM’s.

The only success to date is the fact they have generated controversy but little if any actual, quantifiable results.

Http://www.marcporcelli.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been blogging about Phorm and ISP based advertising. As far as I can tell it really doesn&#8217;t work&#8230;.</p>
<p>ISP Targeting Ad Company Phorm Gets Targeted<br />
March 23, 2008 – 1:37 pm</p>
<p>Phorm, which is an ISP targeted advertising company in the UK, is looking to expand into the US market. The New York Times last week ran an update on the company’s efforts in the US market stating “[Phorm] is trying to negotiate deals with telephone and cable companies, like AT&amp;T, Verizon and Comcast, that provide broadband service to millions”.</p>
<p>In the UK, Phorm already has partnerships with three major Internet service providers covering some 70% of British households. In the US, the challenges will be far greater. Companies like AT&amp;T and Comcast are not going to be so eager to open up their networks for several reasons. First the technology is in its infancy and is largely unproven. Secondly, it’s controversial and after Facebook’s disastrous efforts with Beacon, companies will think twice before targeting users’ personal, although arguably in Phorm’s case none identifiable information. Lastly, companies like AT&amp;T and Verizon simply don’t need the revenue. The risks outweigh the potential (unproven) gains.</p>
<p>Regardless of the current US conditions related to ISP targeting there are organizations out there that have employed and are actively using this technology. Phorm argues that it has technology that protects web users privacy by associating a random number with a user’s Web surfing usage. This random number acts as the identifier through a cookie placed on a person’s computer and saves the users number to be placed into an advertising category to target ads towards. Advertising can then target ads based on the individual’s usage and Phorm categorization.</p>
<p>These are sold as “micro-targeted” or “ISP-Based Behavioral Targeting” with the promise of higher CPM’s for publishers and higher CTR’s for advertisers. These “highly relevant” ads have proved themselves ineffective. Advertisers can expect to pay anywhere from $4.00 &#8211; $12.00 for this “cutting edge” technology which delivers no greater CTR’s and only higher CPM’s.</p>
<p>The only success to date is the fact they have generated controversy but little if any actual, quantifiable results.</p>
<p>Http://www.marcporcelli.com</p>
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		<title>By: Prosperity Writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prosperity Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am an advocate of online privacy. Phorm will get massive consumer complaints sooner or later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am an advocate of online privacy. Phorm will get massive consumer complaints sooner or later.</p>
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		<title>By: IAmTheLaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>IAmTheLaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:
” As you browse, we’re able to categorize all of your Internet actions ,” said Virasb Vahidi, the chief operating officer of Phorm. ” We actually can see the entire Internet .” 

The company, called Phorm, has created a tool that can track every single online action of a given consumer, based on data from that person’s Internet service provider.”

moderation takes a LONG time here so take the short version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:<br />
” As you browse, we’re able to categorize all of your Internet actions ,” said Virasb Vahidi, the chief operating officer of Phorm. ” We actually can see the entire Internet .” </p>
<p>The company, called Phorm, has created a tool that can track every single online action of a given consumer, based on data from that person’s Internet service provider.”</p>
<p>moderation takes a LONG time here so take the short version.</p>
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		<title>By: abdel</title>
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		<dc:creator>abdel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just checked my cookies and find out that webwise.net was active,let say reside in my PC and the date this cookie will expire in 08/01/3000.to find out  how.go tools on firefox then options then click privacy then show cookies a page will appear then you will see on left hand all cookies click on a.webwise.net then click again on a.webwise.net at this stage go to the bottom of the page and you will see the full content of the cookie and how long will track your surfing habits .for the time being im working on something more secure.if you find out that you are being watched then the best option is to leave your ISP ASAP.
ABDEL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just checked my cookies and find out that webwise.net was active,let say reside in my PC and the date this cookie will expire in 08/01/3000.to find out  how.go tools on firefox then options then click privacy then show cookies a page will appear then you will see on left hand all cookies click on a.webwise.net then click again on a.webwise.net at this stage go to the bottom of the page and you will see the full content of the cookie and how long will track your surfing habits .for the time being im working on something more secure.if you find out that you are being watched then the best option is to leave your ISP ASAP.<br />
ABDEL</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-03-21 &#124; The Marketing Technology Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-03-21 &#124; The Marketing Technology Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phorm Uses Your ISP to Track Your Web Surfing Habits A controversial company in Britain is out to see everything you’re doing online. (tags: privacy phorm isp tracking marketing data) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Phorm Uses Your ISP to Track Your Web Surfing Habits A controversial company in Britain is out to see everything you’re doing online. (tags: privacy phorm isp tracking marketing data) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IAmTheLaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>IAmTheLaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 03:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t know how to describe Phorm’s style of communication&quot;
well theres a pickle.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33628733-virgin-media-phorm-webwise-adverts-updated-page-76.html#post34505610

&quot;Charles Arthur (Guardian) 
I&#039;m leaning towards the phrase &quot;server-side adware&quot; for what Phorm&#039;s doing. Does anyone else have a better phrase?&quot;

but the cable forum users have other thoughts

Sure,

illegal wiretapping 
unlawful interception of communications 

yet others favour 
commercial piracy .... but then thats its more baseline dataset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t know how to describe Phorm’s style of communication&#8221;<br />
well theres a pickle&#8230;..</p>
<p>http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33628733-virgin-media-phorm-webwi se-adverts-updated-page-76.html#post34505610</p>
<p>&#8220;Charles Arthur (Guardian)<br />
I&#8217;m leaning towards the phrase &#8220;server-side adware&#8221; for what Phorm&#8217;s doing. Does anyone else have a better phrase?&#8221;</p>
<p>but the cable forum users have other thoughts</p>
<p>Sure,</p>
<p>illegal wiretapping<br />
unlawful interception of communications </p>
<p>yet others favour<br />
commercial piracy &#8230;. but then thats its more baseline dataset.</p>
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