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	<title>Comments on: Digg&#8217;s Lack of Ad Targeting is Hurting Revenue</title>
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		<title>By: DF Marketing SEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DF Marketing SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then need to spend a year building their brand and improving revenue and then sell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then need to spend a year building their brand and improving revenue and then sell!</p>
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		<title>By: Wii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think digg will be sold eventually and it will probably be google that gets their hands on it. It will just be another string to their bow to go with youtube and blogger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think digg will be sold eventually and it will probably be google that gets their hands on it. It will just be another string to their bow to go with youtube and blogger.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Design Showroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Design Showroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think they would have got this right by now! It&#039;s a lesson to all of us though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think they would have got this right by now! It&#8217;s a lesson to all of us though</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Digg is overvalued in my opinion. And I think that this is a good time for a buyer. The smart buyer - Google or Yahoo - would then make obvious improvements to increase revenue.

&lt;em&gt;Shirley&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/VelvetBluesBlog/~3/503900137/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Perhaps You Shouldn’t Blog!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Digg is overvalued in my opinion. And I think that this is a good time for a buyer. The smart buyer &#8211; Google or Yahoo &#8211; would then make obvious improvements to increase revenue.</p>
<p><em>Shirley&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/VelvetBluesBlog/~3/503900137/' rel="nofollow">Perhaps You Shouldn’t Blog!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be the best time for somebody like Google or Yahoo to give them a offer for a little more than they are worth and revamp their ad campaign and  make tons of money off of the site.

&lt;em&gt;Patrick&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/01/proximity-hotel-greenest-hotel-in-america/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proximity Hotel: Greenest Hotel in America&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be the best time for somebody like Google or Yahoo to give them a offer for a little more than they are worth and revamp their ad campaign and  make tons of money off of the site.</p>
<p><em>Patrick&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/01/proximity-hotel-greenest-hotel-in-america/' rel="nofollow">Proximity Hotel: Greenest Hotel in America</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Seoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Seoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm, it does seem like there is room for some proper management and decision making at digg. The problem of non-targeted ads shouldn&#039;t be too difficult to overcome, it would make sense to get it working properly before trying to sell it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, it does seem like there is room for some proper management and decision making at digg. The problem of non-targeted ads shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult to overcome, it would make sense to get it working properly before trying to sell it.</p>
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		<title>By: thewutzupphilippines</title>
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		<dc:creator>thewutzupphilippines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think digg is a good buy however things are not doing well with their ad campaign

&lt;em&gt;thewutzupphilippines&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://thewutzup.com/2009/01/05/no-marriage-plans-yet/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No marriage plans yet for Rachelle Ann Go, Gab Valenciano&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think digg is a good buy however things are not doing well with their ad campaign</p>
<p><em>thewutzupphilippines&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://thewutzup.com/2009/01/05/no-marriage-plans-yet/' rel="nofollow">No marriage plans yet for Rachelle Ann Go, Gab Valenciano</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Silvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THat is what they are going to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THat is what they are going to do.</p>
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		<title>By: jason kuiper</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason kuiper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, not a time to be mismanaging a company.  That will sink someone real quick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, not a time to be mismanaging a company.  That will sink someone real quick!</p>
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		<title>By: R&#38;B Love Songs</title>
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		<dc:creator>R&#38;B Love Songs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Digg&#039;s size, their ads have been terrible. They need private ads fast. They should have better ad deals lining up for them.

BUT, youtube was sold and they were losing money fast so it&#039;s not out for digg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Digg&#8217;s size, their ads have been terrible. They need private ads fast. They should have better ad deals lining up for them.</p>
<p>BUT, youtube was sold and they were losing money fast so it&#8217;s not out for digg.</p>
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		<title>By: Cribbed Content for January 2nd &#124; TrishaLyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cribbed Content for January 2nd &#124; TrishaLyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Weight Loss Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weight Loss Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the hell do you bring in almost $5 million and still end up losing almost $3 million. Where are the costs for Digg? Servers and bandwidth? How much are they paying their employees?

20 million uniques a month and you can&#039;t turn a profit. That&#039;s ridiculous.

Steve

&lt;em&gt;Weight Loss Blog&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/WeightLossWeapons/~3/500275730/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stop Counting Calories&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the hell do you bring in almost $5 million and still end up losing almost $3 million. Where are the costs for Digg? Servers and bandwidth? How much are they paying their employees?</p>
<p>20 million uniques a month and you can&#8217;t turn a profit. That&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p><em>Weight Loss Blog&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/WeightLossWeapons/~3/500275730/' rel="nofollow">Stop Counting Calories</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Utah SEO Pro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utah SEO Pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digg&#039;s lack of valuing users is hurting pageviews and thus revenue.

&lt;em&gt;Utah SEO Pro&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.jordankasteler.com/utah-seo-pro-blog/interview-with-utah-seo-pro/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An Interview with Utah SEO Pro (Jordan Kasteler) by Martin Bowling&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digg&#8217;s lack of valuing users is hurting pageviews and thus revenue.</p>
<p><em>Utah SEO Pro&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.jordankasteler.com/utah-seo-pro-blog/interview-with-utah-seo-pro/' rel="nofollow">An Interview with Utah SEO Pro (Jordan Kasteler) by Martin Bowling</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Saad Kamal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saad Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Xbox360  - Billion? Nah.. I don&#039;t think so. I think the most ever in the valuation was 300 or 600 Mil. Can&#039;t remember the exact figure.

&lt;em&gt;Saad Kamal&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/saadkamal/~3/5v8vbFbHxug/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google PageRank Update Q4 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Xbox360  &#8211; Billion? Nah.. I don&#8217;t think so. I think the most ever in the valuation was 300 or 600 Mil. Can&#8217;t remember the exact figure.</p>
<p><em>Saad Kamal&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/saadkamal/~3/5v8vbFbHxug/' rel="nofollow">Google PageRank Update Q4 2008</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Xbox 360</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xbox 360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ PS3, Billions surely.
It&#039;s a potential goldmine, imagine all the sapce that could be sold as advertising?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ PS3, Billions surely.<br />
It&#8217;s a potential goldmine, imagine all the sapce that could be sold as advertising?</p>
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		<title>By: PS3</title>
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		<dc:creator>PS3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What sort of money are we talking about if Digg put the site up for sale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sort of money are we talking about if Digg put the site up for sale?</p>
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		<title>By: Jose C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is crazy,There is no reason Digg should be losing money. I can only see two problem&#039;s why they are losing money. One they should have got out while the getting was good. With all these big website&#039;s be sold  and estimated at billions, the people at Digg probably thought they would hold out for more money. The second reason is misspending. In an attempt to try and make the site more valuable, they ended up misspending money. This of course is just my opinion, but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if I was right. They need to fired what ever firm is managing their monies, and handling their advertising. This is a case of the people at Digg  trying to hold out for more money, and wasting money on failures in an attempt to raise the value. It kind of makes you wonder if the people at Yahoo made a mistake by turning down the 44+ billion from Google. Websites are not like a fine wine that gets better with age...Until people lose the capability to come up with great idea&#039;s, Their is always going to be new and fresh Idea&#039;s that will eventually surpass yours. Digg is still a valuable site, but when in the pursuit of more money, mistakes can happen.The people at Digg should have took the 300 mil and let someone with more money and resources take over. People now a days think that you have to hold out for a ridiculous amount of money, But the truth is, Digg could have sold the site for 300 mil and came out with another 300 million dollar idea. keep up the bad work :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is crazy,There is no reason Digg should be losing money. I can only see two problem&#8217;s why they are losing money. One they should have got out while the getting was good. With all these big website&#8217;s be sold  and estimated at billions, the people at Digg probably thought they would hold out for more money. The second reason is misspending. In an attempt to try and make the site more valuable, they ended up misspending money. This of course is just my opinion, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if I was right. They need to fired what ever firm is managing their monies, and handling their advertising. This is a case of the people at Digg  trying to hold out for more money, and wasting money on failures in an attempt to raise the value. It kind of makes you wonder if the people at Yahoo made a mistake by turning down the 44+ billion from Google. Websites are not like a fine wine that gets better with age&#8230;Until people lose the capability to come up with great idea&#8217;s, Their is always going to be new and fresh Idea&#8217;s that will eventually surpass yours. Digg is still a valuable site, but when in the pursuit of more money, mistakes can happen.The people at Digg should have took the 300 mil and let someone with more money and resources take over. People now a days think that you have to hold out for a ridiculous amount of money, But the truth is, Digg could have sold the site for 300 mil and came out with another 300 million dollar idea. keep up the bad work <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Free Backlinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Backlinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, but  I think they&#039;re desperately looking to increase the time spent on the site in a bid to inflate the price - more time spent means more captive audience = worth much more. They&#039;re concentrating on making it from a social news platform into a platform that recommends interesting stories based on your digging pattern - problem is that people will continue to drink the koolaid and digg what friends send in attempts to exchange diggs - so the whole thing won&#039;t play out well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, but  I think they&#8217;re desperately looking to increase the time spent on the site in a bid to inflate the price &#8211; more time spent means more captive audience = worth much more. They&#8217;re concentrating on making it from a social news platform into a platform that recommends interesting stories based on your digging pattern &#8211; problem is that people will continue to drink the koolaid and digg what friends send in attempts to exchange diggs &#8211; so the whole thing won&#8217;t play out well.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have sold Digg last year.. But again, if they stay long enough and hire some marketing experts to build their business, they should be alright. And remember, not everyone on this planet has a Digg account and not every single person has access to the Internet. Once the real globalization happens and sweeps across the globe, i bet every single person on earth will know Digg. Even 90% of my friends don&#039;t know what Digg is..

If they are as popular as Facebook and Myspace or even Youtube, i think they shouldn&#039;t be facing this problem right now.

Every business has its ups and downs, it all depends on their choice of solution and determination.

We&#039;ll cheer you on Kevin Rose! :-)

&lt;em&gt;Darren Tan&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.indiesurf.com/the-pigeon-detectives/music-review-emergency-by-the-pigeon-detectives/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Music Review: ?Emergency? by The Pigeon Detectives&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have sold Digg last year.. But again, if they stay long enough and hire some marketing experts to build their business, they should be alright. And remember, not everyone on this planet has a Digg account and not every single person has access to the Internet. Once the real globalization happens and sweeps across the globe, i bet every single person on earth will know Digg. Even 90% of my friends don&#8217;t know what Digg is..</p>
<p>If they are as popular as Facebook and Myspace or even Youtube, i think they shouldn&#8217;t be facing this problem right now.</p>
<p>Every business has its ups and downs, it all depends on their choice of solution and determination.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll cheer you on Kevin Rose! <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Darren Tan&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.indiesurf.com/the-pigeon-detectives/music-review-emergency-by-the-pigeon-detectives/' rel="nofollow">Music Review: ?Emergency? by The Pigeon Detectives</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Karlonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree with the sentiments of Gary above - why is it costing so much to run Digg, especially considering the fact that their model is set up for site growth from user-generated content? They don&#039;t need to do much original writing or outsourcing of articles. Apparently most of Digg&#039;s expenses are related to payroll - too many people as administrative staff, perhaps with some them being paid more than is necessary. 

From looking at the BusinessWeek numbers, it seems like Digg could become profitable fairly quickly just by cutting costs even without factoring in the revenue side of the equation. And of course, as almost every site that has been reporting on this story has noted, if the obvious problem with untargeted ads is fixed, those revenues could rise sharply. 

Combined with implementing some simple cost-cutting measures, Digg could probably increase the real market value of its site several times over if it really wanted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with the sentiments of Gary above &#8211; why is it costing so much to run Digg, especially considering the fact that their model is set up for site growth from user-generated content? They don&#8217;t need to do much original writing or outsourcing of articles. Apparently most of Digg&#8217;s expenses are related to payroll &#8211; too many people as administrative staff, perhaps with some them being paid more than is necessary. </p>
<p>From looking at the BusinessWeek numbers, it seems like Digg could become profitable fairly quickly just by cutting costs even without factoring in the revenue side of the equation. And of course, as almost every site that has been reporting on this story has noted, if the obvious problem with untargeted ads is fixed, those revenues could rise sharply. </p>
<p>Combined with implementing some simple cost-cutting measures, Digg could probably increase the real market value of its site several times over if it really wanted to.</p>
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