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		<title>By: Friendly Fraud &#124; ForYourNoggin dot Com &#124; Brain Food With a Twist of Lime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friendly Fraud &#124; ForYourNoggin dot Com &#124; Brain Food With a Twist of Lime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be upon the increase, due, in vast part, to the disappearing economy. Some commercial operation blogs have been stating the 50% enlarge in this sort of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bogdan SBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogdan SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my country we don&#039;t trust very much the customers because is the country which participated the most on fraud over the internet so we learned from our people&#039;s mistakes. We use COD and that&#039;s all. Or payments by SMS up to 20 Euro where fraud is Zero. Now, with the new laws nobody try to fraud anybody because they get up to 12 years in prison and ISP are forced to keep logs of everything for 6 months. From my point of view, this is the future for internet sales. Never use international shipment. Build a forwarding company which delivers internationally your products, payment by sms or phone bill charge and that&#039;s all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Success</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my country we don&#39;t trust very much the customers because is the country which participated the most on fraud over the internet so we learned from our people&#39;s mistakes. We use COD and that&#39;s all. Or payments by SMS up to 20 Euro where fraud is Zero. Now, with the new laws nobody try to fraud anybody because they get up to 12 years in prison and ISP are forced to keep logs of everything for 6 months. From my point of view, this is the future for internet sales. Never use international shipment. Build a forwarding company which delivers internationally your products, payment by sms or phone bill charge and that&#39;s all.</p>
<p>Success</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Fraud &#124; SEO/SEM Vancouver Island And Beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friendly Fraud &#124; SEO/SEM Vancouver Island And Beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - it seems to be on the increase, due, in large part, to the declining economy. Some business blogs are reporting a 50% increase in this type of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bathroom bath</title>
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		<dc:creator>bathroom bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something you have to make sure is that the click you are going to do for any purchasing on online should be real click that is very true, otherwise this is simply a &quot;internet fraud&quot; if the click is something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something you have to make sure is that the click you are going to do for any purchasing on online should be real click that is very true, otherwise this is simply a &#8220;internet fraud&#8221; if the click is something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Izzy the Mentor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzy the Mentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got sent here my Michael Fortin&#039;s tweet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have to build that into the cost of doing business.. you will do more business, after all chargebacks are said and done, then you will if you didn&#039;t do those sales at all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many people do business with you using their credit cards BECAUSE they know that have that extra layer of &quot;protection&quot; that if things go haywire they can get a refund.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having said that... after 120 Days or so (check your payment processor agreement) a chargeback can no longer be done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I personally once paid a company twice $900, once by Credit Card and once by check.. and was able to prove it.. and the CC company denied my claim because it was over 120 days later...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;it&#039;s again, another manefestation of the 80/20 rule. Try to get rid of the 80, and try to get paid via non-refundable means when you are doing a project that is your personal time on the line (as opposed to a product.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I am Mentoring someone, I start with accepting credit cards and paypal-- but once they really start seeing results, I try to move to other means of payment, such as bank transfer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Paypal Masspay is also a good way to get paid--- no chargebacks are allowed, and the fees are lower as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got sent here my Michael Fortin&#39;s tweet.</p>
<p>You have to build that into the cost of doing business.. you will do more business, after all chargebacks are said and done, then you will if you didn&#39;t do those sales at all.</p>
<p>Many people do business with you using their credit cards BECAUSE they know that have that extra layer of &#8220;protection&#8221; that if things go haywire they can get a refund.</p>
<p>Having said that&#8230; after 120 Days or so (check your payment processor agreement) a chargeback can no longer be done.</p>
<p>I personally once paid a company twice $900, once by Credit Card and once by check.. and was able to prove it.. and the CC company denied my claim because it was over 120 days later&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#39;s again, another manefestation of the 80/20 rule. Try to get rid of the 80, and try to get paid via non-refundable means when you are doing a project that is your personal time on the line (as opposed to a product.)</p>
<p>When I am Mentoring someone, I start with accepting credit cards and paypal&#8211; but once they really start seeing results, I try to move to other means of payment, such as bank transfer.</p>
<p>Paypal Masspay is also a good way to get paid&#8212; no chargebacks are allowed, and the fees are lower as well!</p>
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		<title>By: James Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe that people would be so dumb to send back a box of rocks. I would be interested to know what the estimated costs to retailers is each year involving friendly fraud. Great article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t believe that people would be so dumb to send back a box of rocks. I would be interested to know what the estimated costs to retailers is each year involving friendly fraud. Great article</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Hills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Hills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just talking about this today with my students on reducing chargebacks.&lt;br&gt;So this post is very timely.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like Michel Fortin&#039;s idea of just not taking credit cards for services and accepting checks only.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We used to worry about unethical businesses online, now we worry about unethical customers &lt;br&gt;online.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Christina Hills&lt;br&gt;the &quot;Shopping Cart Queen&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just talking about this today with my students on reducing chargebacks.<br />So this post is very timely.</p>
<p>I like Michel Fortin&#39;s idea of just not taking credit cards for services and accepting checks only.</p>
<p>We used to worry about unethical businesses online, now we worry about unethical customers <br />online.</p>
<p>-Christina Hills<br />the &#8220;Shopping Cart Queen&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jdmartindale</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmartindale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just one more step towards complete socialism.  No one pays for anything, you just get to have what you want and the cost is offset by what you will eventually get in return.  Money has no meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s just one more step towards complete socialism.  No one pays for anything, you just get to have what you want and the cost is offset by what you will eventually get in return.  Money has no meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: charlesneville</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlesneville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering whether Zappos would give a refund on a box of rocks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m wondering whether Zappos would give a refund on a box of rocks?</p>
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		<title>By: Michel  Fortin </title>
		<link>http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2009/05/internet-fraud-is-internet-fraud-right.html/comment-page-1#comment-74190</link>
		<dc:creator>Michel  Fortin </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timely. I just blogged about this myself, where, as a freelance copywriter, people are asking for refunds way past the refund policy period. Others are literally asking for refunds on digital products or online memberships 1-2 years after purchase.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their excuse? &quot;I need the money,&quot; or, &quot;I never used it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michelfortin.com/extortion-getrichquick-scheme/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.michelfortin.com/extortion-getrichqu...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One person had the gall to ask not only for a refund but also extra cash to compensate him for the interest charges on his credit card bill. Wow.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We see this all too often in the online marketing arena, especially when it comes to digital products. People buy a product, download it, and then ask for a refund moments later.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s disheartening, but I will no longer be taking credit cards for services -- and suggested some kind of blacklist of known refunders, not to post the information publicly but to stop/prevent their order from being processed. One person referred me to this site:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.precharge.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.precharge.com&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chargebackfile.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.chargebackfile.com&lt;/a&gt; (same company).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not a 100% foolproof solution, but I&#039;m investigating it. Anything to lower &quot;friendly fraud&quot; (although I despise that term) is better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timely. I just blogged about this myself, where, as a freelance copywriter, people are asking for refunds way past the refund policy period. Others are literally asking for refunds on digital products or online memberships 1-2 years after purchase.</p>
<p>Their excuse? &#8220;I need the money,&#8221; or, &#8220;I never used it.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.michelfortin.com/extortion-getrichquick-scheme/" rel="nofollow">http://www.michelfortin.com/extortion-getrichqu&#8230;</a></p>
<p>One person had the gall to ask not only for a refund but also extra cash to compensate him for the interest charges on his credit card bill. Wow.</p>
<p>We see this all too often in the online marketing arena, especially when it comes to digital products. People buy a product, download it, and then ask for a refund moments later.</p>
<p>It&#39;s disheartening, but I will no longer be taking credit cards for services &#8212; and suggested some kind of blacklist of known refunders, not to post the information publicly but to stop/prevent their order from being processed. One person referred me to this site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.precharge.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.precharge.com</a> and <a href="http://www.chargebackfile.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chargebackfile.com</a> (same company).</p>
<p>It&#39;s not a 100% foolproof solution, but I&#39;m investigating it. Anything to lower &#8220;friendly fraud&#8221; (although I despise that term) is better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Xahnia Livia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xahnia Livia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit card companies must work with on-line merchants.  when a customer claims theyh ave not recieved their order, then this claim MUST be registered with the credit card company.  The merchant MUSt refund the order. This way the credit card company can flag these individuals  as possible on-line fraud, and deactive the fraudster credit card .  With this paper trail, these individuals can then be charged for theft.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When a client claimed they did not recieve their order I sent out this email notice to them, which 99% of the time the client would always locate their parcel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Due to the increasing number of lost internet orders, a new policy to help Canadian and international government agencies through international agreements, in the investigation of and, if necessary, the prosecution of mail order fraud, all missing orders are to be refunded, creating legal documentation of the refund with the credit card company.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This procedure of documenting missing orders with the credit card institution provides investigators with a client history and a geographical representation for missing orders lost during shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit card companies must work with on-line merchants.  when a customer claims theyh ave not recieved their order, then this claim MUST be registered with the credit card company.  The merchant MUSt refund the order. This way the credit card company can flag these individuals  as possible on-line fraud, and deactive the fraudster credit card .  With this paper trail, these individuals can then be charged for theft.</p>
<p>When a client claimed they did not recieve their order I sent out this email notice to them, which 99% of the time the client would always locate their parcel.</p>
<p>Due to the increasing number of lost internet orders, a new policy to help Canadian and international government agencies through international agreements, in the investigation of and, if necessary, the prosecution of mail order fraud, all missing orders are to be refunded, creating legal documentation of the refund with the credit card company.  </p>
<p>This procedure of documenting missing orders with the credit card institution provides investigators with a client history and a geographical representation for missing orders lost during shipping.</p>
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