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		<title>By: Hamlton Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamlton Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my world, small business, I&#039;d say those numbers are probably accurate.  I&#039;ve only seem one small company that was doing PPC well when I was invited in.  I hear about PPC what I used to hear about direct mail from prospective clients, &quot;Oh, we tried that and it didn&#039;t work.&quot;

PPC is just like any form of marketing, it&#039;s not that easy to get right.  And PPC is NOT like many other forms of marketing in that it is direct response marketing.  It can be tough if you&#039;re used to creating beautiful brochures.

Search marketing is a boon to small businesses because, if done well, it gets your message in front of people when they are looking for what you sell.  It&#039;s the &quot;if done well&quot; aspect that&#039;s the tough part. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my world, small business, I&#8217;d say those numbers are probably accurate.  I&#8217;ve only seem one small company that was doing PPC well when I was invited in.  I hear about PPC what I used to hear about direct mail from prospective clients, &#8220;Oh, we tried that and it didn&#8217;t work.&#8221;</p>
<p>PPC is just like any form of marketing, it&#8217;s not that easy to get right.  And PPC is NOT like many other forms of marketing in that it is direct response marketing.  It can be tough if you&#8217;re used to creating beautiful brochures.</p>
<p>Search marketing is a boon to small businesses because, if done well, it gets your message in front of people when they are looking for what you sell.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;if done well&#8221; aspect that&#8217;s the tough part. <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cory huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edos, where are you and what is your business?  I&#039;m sure all of us would be willing to give you a referral of some sort.  ;)

I&#039;m not surprised by any of what you&#039;re saying in this article, Jordan.  In an industry where the &#039;Godfather of Search&#039; has been in the game for less than 20 years there are going to be a lot of people and companies who make a lot of mistakes.  New industries are rife with incompetence, lack of education or experience, and just plain a lot of people still figuring it out.  

I think this is just a reality check for all of us.  We need to remember that we still have a long way to go as far as transparency, communication, and building value for our clients.

There&#039;s also something to be said for waiting for the industry to mature.  We&#039;re under a little bit more of a microscope in many ways because we&#039;re so new to so many people.  They&#039;re paying closer attention and when they see something they don&#039;t understand or that doesn&#039;t look right, they&#039;re going to be more likely to fly off the handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edos, where are you and what is your business?  I&#8217;m sure all of us would be willing to give you a referral of some sort.  <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised by any of what you&#8217;re saying in this article, Jordan.  In an industry where the &#8216;Godfather of Search&#8217; has been in the game for less than 20 years there are going to be a lot of people and companies who make a lot of mistakes.  New industries are rife with incompetence, lack of education or experience, and just plain a lot of people still figuring it out.  </p>
<p>I think this is just a reality check for all of us.  We need to remember that we still have a long way to go as far as transparency, communication, and building value for our clients.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also something to be said for waiting for the industry to mature.  We&#8217;re under a little bit more of a microscope in many ways because we&#8217;re so new to so many people.  They&#8217;re paying closer attention and when they see something they don&#8217;t understand or that doesn&#8217;t look right, they&#8217;re going to be more likely to fly off the handle.</p>
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		<title>By: edos</title>
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		<dc:creator>edos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone recomend to me a good SEM that he or she have tried and worked well, Please .

&lt;em&gt;edos&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://bestgptr.blogspot.com/2009/06/it-is-easy-to-make-money-completing.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It Is Easy to Make Money Completing Surveys&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone recomend to me a good SEM that he or she have tried and worked well, Please .</p>
<p><em>edos&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://bestgptr.blogspot.com/2009/06/it-is-easy-to-make-money-completing.html' rel="nofollow">It Is Easy to Make Money Completing Surveys</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem always comes down to the basics of the relationship, clients expect to be on the front page of Google with a million hits an hour without understanding that SEM isn&#039;t really capable of delivering that in most cases. On the flip side, a lot of SEO and SEM firms are crooked to say the least, raising client expectations to secure the contract without being able to deliver.

&lt;em&gt;Christopher Ross&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thisismyurl.com/tutorials/marketing/25-things-to-do-to-increase-your-website-traffic-right-now/comment-page-2/#comment-4838&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;By: LT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem always comes down to the basics of the relationship, clients expect to be on the front page of Google with a million hits an hour without understanding that SEM isn&#8217;t really capable of delivering that in most cases. On the flip side, a lot of SEO and SEM firms are crooked to say the least, raising client expectations to secure the contract without being able to deliver.</p>
<p><em>Christopher Ross&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.thisismyurl.com/tutorials/marketing/25-things-to-do-to-increase-your-website-traffic-right-now/comment-page-2/#comment-4838' rel="nofollow">By: LT</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Nan Dawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan Dawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the in-house teams in this study are as disappointed in results as those who are outsourcing but at least the companies doing it in-house aren&#039;t paying agency fees on top of poor results. It is certainly true that in-house can be more costly (employee time) than outsourcing depending on the level of spend/extent of program.  And I&#039;m sure that there are case studies showing improved ROI from moving from in-house to outsourcing (haven&#039;t seen any but I&#039;m sure they are out there).  On the other hand, I have plenty of case studies that show the opposite (better ROI by moving it in-house).  At the end of the day, if a company isn&#039;t willing to invest what is required to succeed -- either in an in-house team or an outsourcing arrangement -- they won&#039;t, in fact, succeed.

I am very surprised by the dissastisfaction voiced by in-house teams in this survey. The shift to in-house search has been well underway for some time and some of the comments on this post highlight the reasons for that (the ability to push the things that need to happen internally to make search work, making sure that search is part of the whole and isn&#039;t  a &quot;set it and forget it&quot; thing, substantial time and attention to the program -- which is increasingly antithetical to the business model of agencies, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the in-house teams in this study are as disappointed in results as those who are outsourcing but at least the companies doing it in-house aren&#8217;t paying agency fees on top of poor results. It is certainly true that in-house can be more costly (employee time) than outsourcing depending on the level of spend/extent of program.  And I&#8217;m sure that there are case studies showing improved ROI from moving from in-house to outsourcing (haven&#8217;t seen any but I&#8217;m sure they are out there).  On the other hand, I have plenty of case studies that show the opposite (better ROI by moving it in-house).  At the end of the day, if a company isn&#8217;t willing to invest what is required to succeed &#8212; either in an in-house team or an outsourcing arrangement &#8212; they won&#8217;t, in fact, succeed.</p>
<p>I am very surprised by the dissastisfaction voiced by in-house teams in this survey. The shift to in-house search has been well underway for some time and some of the comments on this post highlight the reasons for that (the ability to push the things that need to happen internally to make search work, making sure that search is part of the whole and isn&#8217;t  a &#8220;set it and forget it&#8221; thing, substantial time and attention to the program &#8212; which is increasingly antithetical to the business model of agencies, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Splendid best in blogs - what are the trends? &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Splendid best in blogs - what are the trends? &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patrick Shaughnessy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Shaughnessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is an SEM firm not owning up to falling short of what it promised to deliver, the other is not going all the way in SEM efforts.  Face it, if your customers&#039; SEM efforts fail, you&#039;ve failed them.

I realize a lot of online marketers try to sell lesser packages to bring on clients and hopefully sell them an upgraded package later, but more often than not the customer gets miffed at what they see as substandard results when in fact they got what they paid for by trying to keep costs down.  That&#039;s no foundation by which to upsell someone.  

In order to deliver results, SEM campaigns need to be all or nothing, not a part of the whole because it wasn&#039;t in the budget.

&lt;em&gt;Patrick Shaughnessy&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://odxfusion.com/blog/2009/06/10-internet-marketing-tutorial-videos/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;10 Helpful Internet Marketing Tutorial Videos&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is an SEM firm not owning up to falling short of what it promised to deliver, the other is not going all the way in SEM efforts.  Face it, if your customers&#8217; SEM efforts fail, you&#8217;ve failed them.</p>
<p>I realize a lot of online marketers try to sell lesser packages to bring on clients and hopefully sell them an upgraded package later, but more often than not the customer gets miffed at what they see as substandard results when in fact they got what they paid for by trying to keep costs down.  That&#8217;s no foundation by which to upsell someone.  </p>
<p>In order to deliver results, SEM campaigns need to be all or nothing, not a part of the whole because it wasn&#8217;t in the budget.</p>
<p><em>Patrick Shaughnessy&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://odxfusion.com/blog/2009/06/10-internet-marketing-tutorial-videos/' rel="nofollow">10 Helpful Internet Marketing Tutorial Videos</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Josh C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder how much of this is related to any Tom, Dick or Harry rushing to fill the SEM demand without any real talent?&quot; I wonder that as well. I&#039;m not an SEM by any means but it seems like the  &#039;experts&#039; are coming out of the woodwork in all disciplines... design, SEO, &quot;internet marketing,&quot; etc. Give someone 1,000 followers and suddenly they&#039;re the last word!

&lt;em&gt;Josh C&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.joshcanhelp.com/web-site/816/what-is-web-strategy/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Is Web Strategy?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder how much of this is related to any Tom, Dick or Harry rushing to fill the SEM demand without any real talent?&#8221; I wonder that as well. I&#8217;m not an SEM by any means but it seems like the  &#8216;experts&#8217; are coming out of the woodwork in all disciplines&#8230; design, SEO, &#8220;internet marketing,&#8221; etc. Give someone 1,000 followers and suddenly they&#8217;re the last word!</p>
<p><em>Josh C&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.joshcanhelp.com/web-site/816/what-is-web-strategy/' rel="nofollow">What Is Web Strategy?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Jaan Kanellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaan Kanellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct Frank both are to blame.  The SEM may stink at what they do or the client might not be able to simply make a button bigger for a stronger call to action.

&lt;em&gt;Jaan Kanellis&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.jaankanellis.com/pr-sculptingtold-ya/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PR Sculpting?Told Ya So&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct Frank both are to blame.  The SEM may stink at what they do or the client might not be able to simply make a button bigger for a stronger call to action.</p>
<p><em>Jaan Kanellis&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.jaankanellis.com/pr-sculptingtold-ya/' rel="nofollow">PR Sculpting?Told Ya So</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of need, not enough skilled SEO&#039;s.  Not nearly enough transparency into strategies and results.  Great post! Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of need, not enough skilled SEO&#8217;s.  Not nearly enough transparency into strategies and results.  Great post! Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen both sides of the ledger on this one. Bad delivery on the agency side and/or no implementation on the client side. As a result, finger pointing is the most popular activity in SEM agency / client relations.

I think more folks should be doing their Internet marketing in house anyway to at least some degree. Especially with social media and SEO becoming more and more intertwined. While agencies can provide levels of expertise for search they cannot replace / recreate / become the voice of a company. 

As always there are zealots on both sides of this fence that will always think the other is evil. We probably all need to just get over ourselves and concentrate on doing good business. 

My 2 cents ;-)

&lt;em&gt;Frank Reed&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.frankthinking.com/online-identity-at-risk-more-than-ever/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Online Identity At Risk More Than Ever&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen both sides of the ledger on this one. Bad delivery on the agency side and/or no implementation on the client side. As a result, finger pointing is the most popular activity in SEM agency / client relations.</p>
<p>I think more folks should be doing their Internet marketing in house anyway to at least some degree. Especially with social media and SEO becoming more and more intertwined. While agencies can provide levels of expertise for search they cannot replace / recreate / become the voice of a company. </p>
<p>As always there are zealots on both sides of this fence that will always think the other is evil. We probably all need to just get over ourselves and concentrate on doing good business. </p>
<p>My 2 cents <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Frank Reed&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.frankthinking.com/online-identity-at-risk-more-than-ever/' rel="nofollow">Online Identity At Risk More Than Ever</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Jordan McCollum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan McCollum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it could also be that the SEMs&#039; fault in just not reporting their successes to their clients widely/well enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it could also be that the SEMs&#8217; fault in just not reporting their successes to their clients widely/well enough.</p>
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		<title>By: jlbraaten</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlbraaten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow.  I wonder how much of this is related to any Tom, Dick or Harry rushing to fill the SEM demand without any real talent?

Or how much is related to clients not understanding the benefit/cost/process/etc?

There has got to be a disconnect here somewhere. 

There&#039;s way too much &quot;Hey there&#039;s a word... let&#039;s buy it!&quot;  This stuff is not easy folks!

&lt;em&gt;jlbraaten&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.bigpictureweb.com/3-steps-to-find-your-social-media-tools-and-purpose&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3 Steps to Find Your Social Media Tools and Purpose&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow.  I wonder how much of this is related to any Tom, Dick or Harry rushing to fill the SEM demand without any real talent?</p>
<p>Or how much is related to clients not understanding the benefit/cost/process/etc?</p>
<p>There has got to be a disconnect here somewhere. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s way too much &#8220;Hey there&#8217;s a word&#8230; let&#8217;s buy it!&#8221;  This stuff is not easy folks!</p>
<p><em>jlbraaten&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.bigpictureweb.com/3-steps-to-find-your-social-media-tools-and-purpose' rel="nofollow">3 Steps to Find Your Social Media Tools and Purpose</a></em></p>
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