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		<title>By: Doctor-V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor-V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have wonderful doctors but it seems that some of their staff members don’t communicate with them much! Does anyone else seem to have this problem?
.-= Doctor-V´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://doctorv.blog.friendster.com/2009/11/viagra/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VIAGRA&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have wonderful doctors but it seems that some of their staff members don’t communicate with them much! Does anyone else seem to have this problem?<br />
.-= Doctor-V´s last blog ..<a href="http://doctorv.blog.friendster.com/2009/11/viagra/" rel="nofollow">VIAGRA</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - I can&#039;t believe how cynical everyone is about research numbers! I would never do that :-).

The research and statistics thing as it relates to the Internet and traffic and blah blah blah is ridiculously imperfect and highly malleable. As Internet marketers we all just need to keep that in mind as we get inundated with data.

Research is starting to seem as valid as the number of followers is for how influential one is on Twitter.
.-= Frank Reed´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frankthinking.com/is-aimless-meandering-just-a-part-of-social-media/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is Aimless Meandering Just a Part of Social Media?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; I can&#8217;t believe how cynical everyone is about research numbers! I would never do that <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>The research and statistics thing as it relates to the Internet and traffic and blah blah blah is ridiculously imperfect and highly malleable. As Internet marketers we all just need to keep that in mind as we get inundated with data.</p>
<p>Research is starting to seem as valid as the number of followers is for how influential one is on Twitter.<br />
.-= Frank Reed´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.frankthinking.com/is-aimless-meandering-just-a-part-of-social-media/" rel="nofollow">Is Aimless Meandering Just a Part of Social Media?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Todd. I&#039;m just as cynical towards comScore&#039;s data--a quick search of this site should confirm that! ;-)

My own &quot;research&quot; would be very much inline with iCrossing&#039;s--which is part of my observation. Site&#039;s that have been SEO&#039;d tend to have a higher percentage of Google traffic. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Todd. I&#8217;m just as cynical towards comScore&#8217;s data&#8211;a quick search of this site should confirm that! <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My own &#8220;research&#8221; would be very much inline with iCrossing&#8217;s&#8211;which is part of my observation. Site&#8217;s that have been SEO&#8217;d tend to have a higher percentage of Google traffic. <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

I always appreciate the cynical eye toward any facts, figures, and research - but I have an even more cynical view of the ComScore data.  I think there are biases in any research and the ComScore data may just be biased to skew away from Google data (I&#039;m not saying it does, but there are surely biases there too).  I think ComScore, Hitwize, Compete, and the like are &quot;decent&quot; at directional data, but often actual figures are questionable - such as predicting an exact search market share.

It&#039;s also been my experience that Google sends significantly more traffic than its &quot;market share&quot;.  I&#039;ve managed plenty of small business sites that followed this trend - and much like this research, all the Fortune 500 sites I&#039;ve had access to their analytics show the same larger share.

What about the sites you&#039;ve managed?  Have you seen things more inline with the market share figures that has led you to question this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>I always appreciate the cynical eye toward any facts, figures, and research &#8211; but I have an even more cynical view of the ComScore data.  I think there are biases in any research and the ComScore data may just be biased to skew away from Google data (I&#8217;m not saying it does, but there are surely biases there too).  I think ComScore, Hitwize, Compete, and the like are &#8220;decent&#8221; at directional data, but often actual figures are questionable &#8211; such as predicting an exact search market share.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also been my experience that Google sends significantly more traffic than its &#8220;market share&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve managed plenty of small business sites that followed this trend &#8211; and much like this research, all the Fortune 500 sites I&#8217;ve had access to their analytics show the same larger share.</p>
<p>What about the sites you&#8217;ve managed?  Have you seen things more inline with the market share figures that has led you to question this?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we still keep our clean rating, I tried to be very clinical with my descriptions. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we still keep our clean rating, I tried to be very clinical with my descriptions. <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd Mintz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Mintz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the one blog I would have never expected to cross into PG territory :.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the one blog I would have never expected to cross into PG territory :.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jaan Kanellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaan Kanellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont see anything wrong here.  Are some have suggested the numbers for overall Google traffic versus the other search engines is always around 60-80% for me sites as well.  iCrossing simply pointing this out to their potential and current clients seems like smart business to me.
.-= Jaan Kanellis´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jaankanellis.com/jaan-got-married/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jaan Got Married!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont see anything wrong here.  Are some have suggested the numbers for overall Google traffic versus the other search engines is always around 60-80% for me sites as well.  iCrossing simply pointing this out to their potential and current clients seems like smart business to me.<br />
.-= Jaan Kanellis´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jaankanellis.com/jaan-got-married/" rel="nofollow">Jaan Got Married!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Yes, the data included all brand and generic keywords.  The share was also calculated for natural search only.  This also indicates that searchers who go to enterprise sites may use Google more often, although now I&#039;m curious about brand vs. generic distribution in natural search.  Maybe the topic of a future study : )

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Yes, the data included all brand and generic keywords.  The share was also calculated for natural search only.  This also indicates that searchers who go to enterprise sites may use Google more often, although now I&#8217;m curious about brand vs. generic distribution in natural search.  Maybe the topic of a future study : )</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob, thanks for stopping by with some additional info.

I hadn&#039;t even considered the &quot;Enterprise&quot; skewing. Any data on the number of those queries that were &quot;brand&quot; keywords. I would suspect that Google sees a higher share of &quot;IBM&quot; or &quot;Coke&quot; searches, which could be another factor that skewed the share higher for Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob, thanks for stopping by with some additional info.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t even considered the &#8220;Enterprise&#8221; skewing. Any data on the number of those queries that were &#8220;brand&#8221; keywords. I would suspect that Google sees a higher share of &#8220;IBM&#8221; or &#8220;Coke&#8221; searches, which could be another factor that skewed the share higher for Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

I put this study together with a colleague at iCrossing, so hopefully I can help shed some light on the data we found.  Your observation that the findings are biased is absolutely correct.  The Search Engine Land post stated that the share was for *enterprise* level sites that generally fall into the category of a Fortune 1000 level business.  It is by no means intended as a proxy for all search share across the web, but we did cover a wide range of verticals in the enterprise space.  
 
When we ran the numbers, we thought there was a compelling story here that search share for large enterprise sites is likely very different from that of the &quot;all sites across the web.&quot;  I found the individual ranges very surprising in many cases (especially for sites that derived a substantial amount of traffic from Bing and Yahoo), and many other sites were receiving shares well into the 80%+ range from Google.  But when averaged out, what you get is a slightly higher share of search traffic from Google, and lower from Bing and Yahoo.   

As far as the aspect of Google bias in optimization, I&#039;ve been on the record many times in speaking, and in my MediaPost column in saying that we optimize for all engines.   Maybe this Google skew towards enterprise is more of a reflection of Eric Schmidt&#039;s comment that &quot;the internet is a cesspool, and brands are the answer&quot;, and the data provides some proof that their emphasis on big brands is greater than the other engines, however slight.  

Again, hope this helps shed some light on the purpose and findings of the study.

Thanks,
Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>I put this study together with a colleague at iCrossing, so hopefully I can help shed some light on the data we found.  Your observation that the findings are biased is absolutely correct.  The Search Engine Land post stated that the share was for *enterprise* level sites that generally fall into the category of a Fortune 1000 level business.  It is by no means intended as a proxy for all search share across the web, but we did cover a wide range of verticals in the enterprise space.  </p>
<p>When we ran the numbers, we thought there was a compelling story here that search share for large enterprise sites is likely very different from that of the &#8220;all sites across the web.&#8221;  I found the individual ranges very surprising in many cases (especially for sites that derived a substantial amount of traffic from Bing and Yahoo), and many other sites were receiving shares well into the 80%+ range from Google.  But when averaged out, what you get is a slightly higher share of search traffic from Google, and lower from Bing and Yahoo.   </p>
<p>As far as the aspect of Google bias in optimization, I&#8217;ve been on the record many times in speaking, and in my MediaPost column in saying that we optimize for all engines.   Maybe this Google skew towards enterprise is more of a reflection of Eric Schmidt&#8217;s comment that &#8220;the internet is a cesspool, and brands are the answer&#8221;, and the data provides some proof that their emphasis on big brands is greater than the other engines, however slight.  </p>
<p>Again, hope this helps shed some light on the purpose and findings of the study.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - I tend to have a cynical eye when it comes to research published by any company that&#039;s knee-deep in an industry. I don&#039;t blame iCrossing for putting out this report--I know I would have while running an SEO firm--but I just can&#039;t look at this data without seeing the bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; I tend to have a cynical eye when it comes to research published by any company that&#8217;s knee-deep in an industry. I don&#8217;t blame iCrossing for putting out this report&#8211;I know I would have while running an SEO firm&#8211;but I just can&#8217;t look at this data without seeing the bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt what you see, but I would expect that the majority of clients that come to you have done at least some SEO beforehand--even if badly. :-) This in itself, would skew the numbers slightly higher than the &quot;average&quot; web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt what you see, but I would expect that the majority of clients that come to you have done at least some SEO beforehand&#8211;even if badly. <img src='http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  This in itself, would skew the numbers slightly higher than the &#8220;average&#8221; web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good catch Andy. You know what they say, &quot;There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. &quot; - Benjamin Disraeli &quot;
.-= Lee Odden´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.toprankblog.com/2009/10/defining-search-engine-optimization/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Defining Search Engine Optimization&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch Andy. You know what they say, &#8220;There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. &#8221; &#8211; Benjamin Disraeli &#8221;<br />
.-= Lee Odden´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.toprankblog.com/2009/10/defining-search-engine-optimization/" rel="nofollow">Defining Search Engine Optimization</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Whalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Whalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, we see numbers much higher for Google than the typical studies too. But it&#039;s right from the start before we do any work or make any recommendations to clients. So I disagree with your premise. 

Pretty much any site I&#039;ve ever looked at the analytics for has a good 80% or more of their search engine traffic from Google. And that&#039;s often without them ever having done any SEO.
.-= Jill Whalen´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.highrankings.com/yahoo-keywords&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Advanced Forum Thread of the Week&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, we see numbers much higher for Google than the typical studies too. But it&#8217;s right from the start before we do any work or make any recommendations to clients. So I disagree with your premise. </p>
<p>Pretty much any site I&#8217;ve ever looked at the analytics for has a good 80% or more of their search engine traffic from Google. And that&#8217;s often without them ever having done any SEO.<br />
.-= Jill Whalen´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.highrankings.com/yahoo-keywords" rel="nofollow">Advanced Forum Thread of the Week</a> =-.</p>
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